[Haskell-cafe] Leaner Haskell.org frontpage

Jason Dagit dagit at codersbase.com
Thu Jul 9 18:17:10 EDT 2009

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Derek Elkins <derek.a.elkins at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jason Dagit<dagit at codersbase.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Thomas ten Cate <ttencate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> By the way, the most valuable pixels, right at the top of the page,
> >> are wasted on wiki stuff. Compare
> >> http://www.haskell.org/
> >> with, for example,
> >> http://www.ruby-lang.org/
> >> http://python.org/
> >
> > The thing I like the most from the ruby page is the top box of content
> where
> > it starts describing ruby with a "Read more..." link adjacent to a code
> > snippet.  Because I doubt anyone will agree on *the one* best code
> snippet
> > to show people, I think there should/could be a pool of fun snippets and
> > loading the page picks one at random.  I have no idea if the wiki engine
> > supports this.  I also like the strip of links at the top with things
> like,
> > "Download", "Community", and so on.  Something I think the Haskell page
> does
> > much better than the other two, is the listing of events and hackage
> > updates.  Both of those sections feel "inviting" to me.  It makes me
> curious
> > and I want to explore.
> >
> > The python page looks at least as cluttered as the haskell page.  Neither
> > the haskell page or the python page have the same look and feel of the
> ruby
> > page.  I think the shaded/gradient backgrounds actually add a lot to the
> > visual experience.  I also like that the boxes have a different bg color
> for
> > the box title and the box contents.  I also like the use of icons on the
> > ruby page.  The "Download Ruby" link/box with the download icon is very
> > inviting.  I just want to download it, even if I'm not going to use ruby!
> >
> > Perhaps we could have a contest similar to the logo contest but for
> homepage
> > asthetics redesign.  I think the content on the haskell page is great,
> but
> > the visual style of the presentation could be improved considerably.
> >
> >>
> >> If, like the consensus seems to be, the page should be made more
> >> friendly to beginners (who are unlikely to want to contribute to the
> >> wiki right away), then this should be moved elsewhere, or at the very
> >> least made smaller and less obtrusive.
> >
> > Optimizing for newcomers seems wise.
> > Jason
> This is what I see when visiting the Ruby page:
> "DoS vulnerability in BigDecimal"

That's true.  And I never said we want to copy the ruby community :)  In
fact, I'd prefer to not be associated with them given the community's
blatant unprofessionalism and sexism (cf. CouchDB presentation at a
semi-recent ruby conference).  I do think their page has more visual appeal
though.  So other than pointing out the DoS, did you have feedback?

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