[Haskell-cafe] Re: speed: ghc vs gcc

[Peter Verswyvelen]

nothing should stop you from writing video games in Haskell since the
control logic of many video games is written in e.g. a scripting language
like LUA :-)
sure if you want to write a physics engine in Haskell, that's something
else.

but I've worked with people that wrote physics engines in C/C++, and they
also had to hand optimize specifically for a certain compiler to get things
fast.

so some manual tweaking to Haskell could be acceptable if you want to get
high performance. and I hope that in the future the Haskell compilers will
optimize more and more and more...

2009/2/20 Bulat Ziganshin <bulat.ziganshin at gmail.com>

> Hello Thomas,
>
> Saturday, February 21, 2009, 1:19:47 AM, you wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what you're getting at Bulat √ it's been demonstrated
> > that ghc is slower than gcc for most cases at the moment (many
> > benchmarks will back this up), *however*, it's also easily verified
> > that ghc has had significantly less effort directed at it than gcc and
> > other imperative compilers, thus, there are many places it can improve
> > greatly.
>
> of course. what fool will say that ghc cannot be optimized the same
> way as gcc? if we spent the same amount of time for improving ghc
> back-end as was spent for gcc (tens or hundreds man-years?), then
> *low-level* Haskell code will become as fast as C one, while remaining
> several times slower to write
>
> > In this case, you've pointed out a really great source of heavy
> > optimisation.  Thanks a lot :)  Now perhaps it might be an idea to be
> > constructive, rather than trying to stand like nelson going "HA HA" at
> > the people with the inferior compiler.
>
> ghc is superior compiler and it's my main instrument. but it can't
> make coffee and doesn't contain sophisticated code generator. it's why
> i dissuade from writing video codes in haskell and i don't like
> situation when someone too lazy to test speed yourself tell us tales
> and attack me when i say about real situation
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Bulat                            mailto:Bulat.Ziganshin at gmail.com
>
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