[Haskell-cafe] Re: 1,000 packages, so let's build a few!

Neil Mitchell ndmitchell at gmail.com
Mon Feb 2 05:07:57 EST 2009


> So actually just having more Windows users subscribed to cabal-devel and
> commenting on tickets would be very useful, even if you do not have much
> time for hacking.

I believe that as soon as a Windows user starts doing that you'll
start asking them for patches :-)

There are a number of reasons that we have fewer Windows developers:

* Some of it comes down to social reasons - for some reason it seems
to be socially acceptable to belittle Windows (and Windows users) on
the Haskell mailing lists and #haskell.

* Some of it comes down to technical issues - for example not having
cabal.exe bundled with GHC 6.10.1 on Windows was a massive mistake
(although I've heard everyone argue against me, I've not yet heard a
Windows person argue against me).

* Part of it comes down to most developers not being Windows people.

* A little is because Windows is a second class citizen even in the
libraries, my OS is NOT mingw32 - mingw32 is not even an OS, its a
badly typed expression! How would you like it if your OS was listed as
Wine? Things like this tell me that Haskell isn't Windows friendly, at
best its windows tolerant.

* Things like Gtk2hs, which Windows users need building for them,
don't release in sync with GHC, which makes it hard to use.

* Windows machines don't usually have a C compiler, and have a very
different environment - while the rest of the world is starting to

I gave up on fighting the fight when people decided not to bundle
cabal.exe with Windows - and now I'm too busy with my day job... Now
I'd say Duncan is the most vocal and practical Windows developer, even
overlooking the fact he doesn't run Windows.



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