[Haskell-cafe] Re: What I wish someone had told me...
lennart at augustsson.net
Wed Oct 15 11:48:12 EDT 2008
The (>>=) operation for the state monad can be implemented with no
understanding at all.
Just watch djinn make the code for it. And djinn doesn't understand
the state monad, I promise. :)
2008/10/15 David Leimbach <leimy2k at gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:08 AM, John Lato <jwlato at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to thank everyone who replied to my OP, and also perhaps
>> clarify one point. I wasn't trying to be argumentative or negative
>> about any work people have done to make Haskell approachable for OO
>> programmers (or any other programmers, for that matter). I simply
>> wanted to know what others thought about one item that was misleading
>> to me in particular, and to see if others either agreed with me or had
>> similar experiences.
>> That being said, I know that it's a great deal of work to put together
>> a useful tutorial, and I appreciate every one I read. Especially the
>> monad tutorials, of which it took a half dozen before I got it.
> I've read a lot of the Monad tutorials, and I feel like I only get "most of
> it" to be 100% honest. The State Monad still boggles my mind a little bit.
> I understand what it's supposed to do and I get the idea about how it
> works. It's just that when I look at the implementation of >>= for it, I
> want to crawl into a corner and nibble my fingers.
> Ok, it's not that bad, but I'll admit I've gone cross-eyed a few times
> trying to keep all that state in my head about what's REALLY going on there.
> Perhaps if it were pulled apart step by step I'd have a better
> I even tried to implement it once, and failed, however, I never seem to fail
> to be able to *use* it if someone already implements it for me :-). Kind of
> like how I know how to operate a car, but I wouldn't trust driving one that
> I built :-)
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