[Haskell-cafe] Interesting new user perspective
jonathanccast at fastmail.fm
Fri Oct 10 17:26:57 EDT 2008
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 22:24 +0100, Iain Barnett wrote:
> On 10 Oct 2008, at 9:00 pm, Tommy M. McGuire wrote:
> > Iain Barnett wrote:
> >> On 9 Oct 2008, at 9:33 pm, Andrew Coppin wrote:
> >>> I think it's just the teaching of the language that needs work,
> >>> not so much the language itself.
> >> As a newer user myself, I'd agree with this statement. I'd like to
> >> see far more mundane tasks solved in tutorials.
> > I would agree as well. My own flailings led to Software Tools in
> > Haskell, which taught me more about how to actually do things
> > than the textbooks that I have read.
> That looks like a really useful resource, thanks. I've just read the
> introduction and that is the same experience I've been having,
> (ending up with bits of programs and nothing really practical). I'm
> currently trying to write some simple games in Haskell, and learning
> a lot along the way.
> >> Haskell is can obviously do some really interesting things, but
> >> constantly having wikipedia open so I can look up whatever
> >> mathematical doodah has just been mentioned can get draining. Even
> >> Real World Haskell suffers a bit from this.
> > The mathematical doodahs are *very* useful, much more so than any
> > other language I have used, but it helps to have some kind of
> > foundation to understand how and why. I am frequently reminded of
> > a "How to Draw" page from the Tick comic, which went something
> > like:
> Yep. They're certainly useful, it's just that explanation and
> knowledge aren't always the fastest route to understanding. Sometimes
> it's better just to get on with things and just do it - you don't
> learn how to drive by getting lessons on the combustion engine from a
> physicist :)
> On 10 Oct 2008, at 9:50 pm, Don Stewart wrote:
> > Haskell makes
> > constructing true parsers just as easy,
> You're not speaking for me there! :) I really like regex. It's a
> domain specific functional language, so why rewrite the wheel?
It's a domain-specific *declarative* language. Turning it into a true
functional language makes it something entirely different.
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