[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] Top Level <-
ganesh at earth.li
Fri Aug 29 18:52:37 EDT 2008
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Adrian Hey wrote:
> Ganesh Sittampalam wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Adrian Hey wrote:
>>> There's no semantic difficulty with the proposed language extension,
>> How does it behave in the presence of dynamic loading?
> To answer this you need to be precise about the semantics of what
> is being dynamically loaded. But this is too complex an issue
> for me to get in to right now.
If you want to standardise a language feature, you have to explain its
behaviour properly. This is one part of the necessary explanation.
To be concrete about scenarios I was considering, what happens if:
- the same process loads two copies of the GHC RTS as part of two
completely independent libraries? For added complications, imagine that
one of the libraries uses a different implementation instead (e.g. Hugs)
- one Haskell program loads several different plugins in a way that
allows Haskell values to pass across the plugin boundary
How do these scenarios work with use cases for <- like (a) Data.Unique and
(b) preventing multiple instantiation of a sub-library?
> Actually as far as things like hs-plugins are concerned I'd alway meant
> one day what exactly a "plugin" is, semantically. But as I've never had
> cause to use them so never got round to it. Like is it a value, or does
> it have state and identity or what?
Personally I think of them as values. I'm not sure what your questions
about state and identity mean. If you don't have global variables, then
state doesn't matter.
>> What about remote procedure calls?
> Dunno, what problem do you anticipate?
Will Data.Unique still work properly if a value is sent across a RPC
>> Also what if I want a thread-local variable?
> Well actually I would say that threads are bad concurrency model so
> I'm not keen on thread local state at all. Mainly because I'd like to
> get rid of threads, but also a few other doubts even if we keep
Even if you don't like them, people still use them.
> (I.E. Just making existing practice *safe*, at least in the sense that
> the compiler ain't gonna fcuk it up with INLINING or CSE and every one
> understands what is and isn't safe in ACIO)
Creating new language features means defining their semantics rather more
clearly than just "no inlining or cse", IMO.
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