[wxhaskell-users] FW: Reviving wxHaskell (was: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Troublecompiling wxhaskell)

Wed Aug 2 04:07:00 EDT 2006

Hi all,

First, thanks Daan for offering to stay involved. I'd much prefer to have
you working on the project in whatever capacity is possible for you - as the
main architect and the person with most knowledge of the wxHaskell
implementation, this will be invaluable.

Second thing, for those who are following this thread on Haskell Cafe, I
think that we should move subsequent discussion to
wxhaskell-users at lists.sourceforge.net - I will post a summary of any
conclusions we reach back to Haskell Cafe for general interest.

I am going to mail those who have replied offering help off-list to try to
determine the realistic level of commitment they can make to the project,
with the hope that we can come up with a viable set of core contributors
with well-defined responsibilities. I don't think it's fair on the
individuals concerned to perform such discussions on-list
as it is a big thing to ask someone to commit their time and effort freely,
and public discussion can place unfair pressure on individuals.

My 'day job' involves managing software development teams and deliveries, so
I'm prepared to take on this side of the project if there's general
agreement. From everything I've seen and read, this is often a hard area to
resource in Open Source projects (as it's not especially glamorous), as well
as contributing patches and test effort on Windows and OSX.

It sounds as though we have, in principle, people prepared to look at all of
the major platforms, although as yet the commitments do not extend to
helping with packaging for platforms, and I see this as vitally important to
the success of wxHaskell. It's currently too difficult to build for the
casual user (yes, I accept that 'casual user' is probably an oxymoron in the
Haskell community ;-).

Please watch this space (on wxhaskell-users) for updates.

Regards
Jeremy

Thanks to all who have replied

On 01/08/06, Daan Leijen <Daan at microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Dear wxHaskell users,
>
>
>
> First of all, I apologize for not being responsive on the wxHaskell users
> mailing list. I recently changed jobs and countries and didn't properly take
> care of older email aliases.
>
>
>
> Anyway, even though I am motivated to support wxHaskell, practice proves
> that the project is too large for me to do alone. It would be great if
> someone or a group of people feel motivated enough to take over the project
> and release new versions that are compatible with the latest Ghc versions.
> One potential challenge is to find a group of testers that are willing to
> help compiling wxHaskell on different target systems: Windows, MacOS X, and
> Unix/GTK variations.
>
>
>
> I am happy to give volunteers administrator privileges on the sourceforge
> site and help out with the initial transition and building the initial new
> release (which is generally a lot of careful work in compiling and packaging
> correctly).
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> -- Daan Leijen.
>
>
>
> Ps. Include me on the reply list as I am not subscribed properly to either
> mailing list at the moment.
>
>
>
> *From:* Simon Peyton-Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:46 AM
> *To:* Daan Leijen
> *Subject:* FW: Reviving wxHaskell (was: Re: [wxhaskell-users]
> [Haskell-cafe] Troublecompiling wxhaskell)
>
>
>
> Daan
>
>
>
> Have you seen this thread? Would you care to respond to it?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org [mailto:
> haskell-cafe-bounces at haskell.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy O'Donoghue
> *Sent:* 01 August 2006 09:37
> *Cc:* haskell-cafe at haskell.org; wxhaskell-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Reviving wxHaskell (was: Re: [wxhaskell-users] [Haskell-cafe]
> Troublecompiling wxhaskell)
>
>
>
> Hi list,
>
> Apologies for continuing with the cross-posting, but wxhaskell-users is
> not exactly active.
>
> It seems like there may be enough interest in wxHaskell to justify trying
> to revive the project.
>
> At present, from what I can tell, Daan Leijen, the principal developer of
> wxHaskell, no longer has much interest in the project - the CVS log shows
> little activity for about 15 months now - and using wxHaskell with newer
> wxWidgets versions or on Unicode systems requires the application of various
> patches (for which the interested potential user must search diligently).
>
> Ideally, it would be best Daan for to enable new CVS committers to the
> project (or even to hand over project administration), but if this is not an
> option, is there a possibility of hosting a fork on hackage.haskell.org (I
> think there's a benefit in hosting Haskell-specific projects in a
> Haskell-friendly location).
>
> I don't have the time to nurture huge ambitions for wxHaskell, but I think
> it is realistic to aim for the following in the short term:
>
> * Patches to ensure that wxHaskell compiles against latest wxWidgets
> versions on Mac, Linux and Windows (exists today)
> * Add Eric Kow's Unicode patches (exist today)
> * Produce suitable binary packages for whatever targets we can get
> maintainers for, compatible with up-to-date versions of both GHC and
> wxWidgets.
> * Improve samples and documentation.
>
> In the longer term, we could look at:
>
> * Fixing operation with sash windows (a personal gripe ;-) - easy
> * Wrapping some of the more complex widgets - easy.
> * Subclassing of widgets in Haskell ( i.e. allow C++ virtual methods to be
> redefined in Haskell) - moderately hard
>
> * Move from the Eiffel wxc bindings to wxC project to give better maintained interface to wxWidgets - time consuming, but easy
> * Porting to other Haskell implementations (Hugs, YHC etc)
>
> Taking on a project like this is a very significant commitment, and only
> makes sense if there are a number of willing contributors. I'm happy to kick
> this off and try to cover some of the boring 'administrative' bits, as well
> as contributing on documentation and smaller bug fixes, but I don't have
> time to save wxHaskell from permanent bit-rot. If there's enough interest,
> I'll push ahead with trying to organize this.
>
> Regards
> Jeremy
>
> On 01/08/06, *shelarcy* <shelarcy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 7/31/06, David F. Place <d at vidplace.com> wrote:
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >> I'm having trouble compiling wxhaskell 0.9.4 under both ghc 6.4.2 and
> >> ghc 6.5.   Does anyone know where I should direct my queries?
>
> If you use ghc 6,4,2 under Windows platform, you
> can use my patched version of wxHaskell.
>
> And you can get my patch from Kamiariduki's source.
>
> http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2006-June/018043.html
> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=168626
>
>
> I also know Eric Y. Kow's unicode patch doesn't
> include db problems fix. These problems has not
> only wxWidgets 2.6.x change, but also unicode
> change.
>
> I try to fix latter case, use attached after unicode
> patch, this fixes compile problem ... but it has
> another problem that can't use non-ascii characters
> correctly. So, if want to accesss DB by wxHaskell's
> ODBC, data is garbled and cause problems.
>
> I don't know how to fix that.
>
> Attached is already sent wxhaskell-user's list, but
> you can't get this file. So I send again.
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=16222530
>
>
> My patch where I put Kamiariduki's project page doesn't
> include unicode support that I noticed above Mailng-List's
> log.
>
> Don't worry about this. You can use both my patch and
> unicode patch, if you want. These cause conflict message
> but this is not problem.
>
>
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:18:27 +0900, Jason Dagit
> <dagit at eecs.oregonstate.edu> wrote:
> > I've done this recently.  I put my notes on the wiki:
> > http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/WxHaskell/Install#Windows
>
> I don't know this problem when I made patch.
> So, my patch doesn't fix this problem.
>
>
> --
> shelarcy <shelarcy    capella.freemail.ne.jp>
> http://page.freett.com/shelarcy/
>
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