S. Alexander Jacobson
haskell at alexjacobson.com
Thu Jun 24 16:24:09 EDT 2004
Cool! Why does it have an efficiency problem?
And I would also observe that this solution
doesn't work for readEitherChan because there is
no tryReadChan. The naive tryReadChan
tryReadChan chan = if isEmptyChan chan then return Nothing else return $ readChan chan
leaves you vulnerable to race conditions.
It looks like we have now have two very similar
functions that, because they need the concrete
representation, need to be added in the library:
tryReadChan and tryReadSampleVar.
Is there a systemic reason why these two very
similar functions are absent? There is no point
in my trying to add them if there is some *in
principle* difficulty. The concurrent paper seems
to indicate that there is something fundamentally
suspect about a choice operator as a primitive.
Is that issue related?
Also, you wouldn't need these functions if
Haskell's concurency model was defined to be
non-preemptive. How come forkIO was not
specifically defined to be non-preemptive (with
forkOS dependent on the local OS native threading
model)? Or alternatively, how come we have forkIO
and forkOS as opposed to forkCooperative and
S. Alexander Jacobson mailto:me at alexjacobson.com
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
> Simon Marlow wrote:
> >It's a hard problem. Trying to code up takeEitherMVar by hand always
> >seems to lead to solutions with race conditions - I can't see a way to
> >do it.
> The following solution should be free from race conditions,
> takeEitherMVar :: MVar a -> MVar b -> IO (Either a b)
> takeEitherMVar mva mvb =
> do ma <- tryTakeMVar mva
> case ma of
> Just a -> return (Left a)
> Nothing -> do mb <- tryTakeMVar mvb
> case mb of
> Just b -> return (Right b)
> Nothing -> takeEitherMVar mva mvb
> but it has an efficiency problem, though...
> >Perhaps takeEitherMVar should be provided as a primitive, but I'm
> >concerned that the same problems will crop up if we tried to implement
> >takeEitherMVar in a multi-threaded runtime
> Also, what if you wanted to choose between three variables?
> >So I think in order to do this you have to build another abstraction
> >around MVars. I've attached some code I just hacked up to do just that;
> >it's untested (but compiles), and has a couple of known deficiencies,
> >but it might be along the right lines.
> Thanks, I'll see if I can understand that...
> Thomas H
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