[GUI] Re: Gtk and Object I/O

[seth@cql.com]

I've had good results with gtk2hs, although I want more functionality (as
everyone always does).

On 24-Jan-2003 Axel Simon wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 03:26:35AM -0800, John Meacham wrote:
>> if people havnt already seen it:
>> http://www.t4p.com/xplat.htm describes some of the issues relating to
>> any endevour such as ours.
> 
> I have read the article. And although I do the gtk2hs binding and think 
> it's the right way to go, I know it's not perfect:
> 
> - Gtk will inevitably impose its view of UIs on Windows users. But these 
> differences are small since Gtk applications look quite similar to Windows 
> applications.
> 
> - Gtk will not be ported to Aqua since Aqua is so different. There is only 
> one menu bar, dialogs pop up within main windows, etc. but it will feel ok 
> under XonX (XWindows on Macs)
> 
> Maybe you can define a GUI library that looks and feels native on every 
> platform without compromising the native style guide (look and feel). But 
> the lack of *any* commercial or free toolkit that fulfills these 
> requirements makes me wonder why a small number of people with a nice 
> language can do it (Wolfgang said that even Java doesn't get it right). 
> Maybe we can, but on what time scale? I do not want another "it's 
> already usable" prototype. Peter, Krasimir, Andrey - when 
> would we be able to go to a company and say "Use Haskell to program your 
> applications!" and would feel comfortable about our (GUI) libraries? 5 
> years? 10 years? The Gtk library has been under development for over 6 
> years and they only took an average of all GUIs available and didn't try 
> to combine three huge, constantly changing APIs.
> 
> I'd rather have a GUI library which runs on all platforms, sacrifices some 
> look-and-feel but is available in a couple of month.
> 
> I would be more than happy to provide an Object I/O like view of my 
> library, but I know it will look different from the one you implemented in 
> the IFL paper, simply it's geared towards Gtk not Win32. If you think you 
> can give me a specification *today* how a portable Object I/O layer would 
> look like when you finished your approach, I would be more than happy to 
> implement it.
> 
> Axel.
> 
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Seth Kurtzberg
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Date: 24-Jan-2003
Time: 09:28:49

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