GHC 7.8 release?
carter.schonwald at gmail.com
Sat Feb 9 03:45:04 CET 2013
+10^100 to Johan and Manuel. Breaking changes on pieces that aren't
experimental is the main compatibility / new version pain,
and I say this as someone who's spent time before and around the 7.4 and
7.6 releases testing out lots of major packages and sending a few patches
to various maintainers.
If there's a path to having a release strategy as Manuel suggests, and
having an intermediate release with the new vector primops, type
extensions and such goodness, then I'm all for it. A lot of these bits are
things ill start using almost immediately in production / real software,
esp if I'm not needing to patch every stable library beyond maybe relaxing
On Feb 8, 2013 9:05 PM, "Manuel M T Chakravarty" <chak at cse.unsw.edu.au>
> I completely agree with Johan. The problem is to change core APIs too
> fast. Adding, say, SIMD instructions or having a new type extension (that
> needs to be explicitly activated with a -X option) shouldn't break packages.
> I'm all for restricting major API changes to once a year, but why can't we
> have multiple updates to the code generator per year or generally release
> that don't affect a large number of packages on Hackage?
> Johan Tibell <johan.tibell at gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Simon Marlow <marlowsd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> For a while we've been doing one major release per year, and 1-2 minor
>> releases. We have a big sign at the top of the download page directing
>> people to the platform. We arrived here after various discussions in the
>> past - there were always a group of people that wanted stability, and a
>> roughly equally vocal group of people who wanted the latest bits. So we
>> settled on one API-breaking change per year as a compromise.
>> Since then, the number of packages has ballooned, and there's a new
>> factor in the equation: the cost to the ecosystem of an API-breaking
>> release of GHC. All that updating of packages collectively costs the
>> community a lot of time, for little benefit. Lots of package updates
>> contributes to Cabal Hell. The package updates need to happen before the
>> platform picks up the GHC release, so that when it goes into the platform,
>> the packages are ready.
>> So I think, if anything, there's pressure to have fewer major releases of
>> GHC. However, we're doing the opposite: 7.0 to 7.2 was 10 months, 7.2 to
>> 7.4 was 6 months, 7.4 to 7.6 was 7 months. We're getting too efficient at
>> making releases!
> I think we want to decouple GHC "major" releases (as in, we did lots of
> work) from API breaking releases. For example, GCC has lots of major (or
> "big") releases, but rarely, if ever, break programs.
> I'd be delighted to see a release once in a while that made my programs
> faster/smaller/buggy without breaking any of them.
> -- Johan
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