[ghc-steering-committee] #668: Allow reserved identifiers as fields in OverloadedRecordDot, recommendation: accept
Malte Ott
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Wed Apr 9 22:13:23 UTC 2025
I like this a lot. In favor!
On 2025-04-09 10:02, Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-steering-committee wrote:
> I'm thumbs up -- but I have added a post with a list of suggested
> presentational cleanups.
>
> (Adam if you are worn out I suppose I could execute on them myself. I
> don't want to keep erecting new obstacles.)
>
> Simon
>
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 at 03:31, Jakob Brünker via ghc-steering-committee
> <[1]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The updated proposal looks good to me!
>
> Jakob
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 11:00 AM Adam Gundry via ghc-steering-committee
> <[2]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org> wrote:
>
> I have now updated this proposal on the basis of the vote:
>
> [3]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668
>
> Please take a look and let me know if you are happy with the current
>
> state of the PR, or have any remaining concerns.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
> P.S. I will be away on holiday over the next couple of weeks, so
> apologies in advance for any delays in response.
>
> On 07/04/2025 16:21, Adam Gundry via ghc-steering-committee wrote:
> > Thanks everyone for your responses to this. There seems to be a
> fairly
> > clear consensus that the preferred option is B. (5 votes have B in
> first
> > place, then 3 others either rate A and B equally or weakly prefer
> A to
> > B.) Thus I plan to revise the proposal accordingly.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > On 02/04/2025 10:26, Matthías Páll Gissurarson via
> > ghc-steering-committee wrote:
> >> I have a slight preference for B over A. The point that [2]
> brings up
> >> is a good one, it seems better to allow row.“foo bar”, especially
> when
> >> reading CSV or JSON as they mention.
> >>
> >> So my preference is B>A>C>D
> >>
> >> /Matti Palli
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 07:56 Arnaud Spiwack via
> ghc-steering-committee
> >> <[4]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org
> >> <mailto:[5]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> My preference is
> >> A>B>C>D
> >>
> >> Though my preference between A and B is weak. Whatever's
> easier
> >> really.
> >>
> >> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 19:04, Simon Marlow via
> >> ghc-steering-committee <[6]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org
> >> <mailto:[7]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't feel all that strongly except that C seems like a
> bad
> >> idea. A = B > D > C
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 at 21:49, Adam Gundry via
> >> ghc-steering-committee
> <[8]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org
> >> <mailto:[9]ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> This proposal [0] has been lingering for quite some
> time,
> >> unfortunately.
> >> So we can make progress, I've tried to summarise our
> options
> >> below;
> >> please vote for your preferred option in the next
> week or
> >> two. Once we
> >> have decided on our preferred course of action, I'll
> make
> >> any necessary
> >> editorial changes to the proposal.
> >>
> >> To recap, the idea is to extend OverloadedRecordDot
> such
> >> that it permits
> >> record selection expressions such as
> >>
> >> foo.type -> getField @"type" foo
> >>
> >> even though `type` is a keyword and hence not a valid
> record
> >> field in a
> >> traditional datatype declarations. This is primarily
> >> motivated by the
> >> use of OverloadedRecordDot in libraries such as
> `persistent`
> >> (see [1]),
> >> which will generate instances like this:
> >>
> >> instance HasField "type" SomeRecord SomeField1
> where
> >> getField = ...
> >>
> >> instance HasField "bar" SomeRecord SomeField2
> where
> >> getField = ...
> >>
> >> Both these instances are accepted, so it is quite
> surprising
> >> and
> >> annoying that `foo.type` is a syntax error, even
> though
> >> `foo.bar` will
> >> be accepted (and turn into a call to `getField
> @"bar"`).
> >>
> >> As a small syntactic change, the proposal has lead to
> quite
> >> some
> >> discussion and a few plausible alternatives:
> >>
> >> A. Accept the proposal as it stands, since it is
> the
> >> smallest change
> >> that resolves the issue.
> >>
> >> B. Extend the proposal to permit still wider
> syntax, e.g.
> >> `foo.Uppercase` or `foo."quoted string"`, motivated
> by
> >> consistency with
> >> OverloadedLabels and use cases such as [2]. This
> seems
> >> reasonable to me.
> >>
> >> C. Extend the proposal to permit keywords such as
> `type`
> >> to be used as
> >> field names in traditional record syntax, e.g. `data
> Foo =
> >> Foo { type ::
> >> Int }`. In my view this is unnecessary complexity
> that
> >> mistakenly
> >> conflates OverloadedRecordDot with traditional record
> >> syntax; the
> >> motivation for keywords as selector names comes from
> uses of
> >> OverloadedRecordDot that do not involve traditional
> record
> >> syntax.
> >>
> >> D. Reject the proposal entirely, e.g. due to
> worries
> >> about syntax
> >> highlighting.
> >>
> >> Please reply with your preference order amongst these
> >> options. My vote
> >> is B > A > C > D.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> [0]
> [10]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668
> >>
> <[11]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> >>
> [12]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#issuecom
> ment-2561282397
> <[13]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#issueco
> mment-2561282397>
> >>
> >> [2]
> >>
> >>
> [14]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#issuecom
> ment-2564274901
> <[15]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#issueco
> mment-2564274901>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 05/11/2024 13:58, Arnaud Spiwack wrote:
> >> > I have no opinion on this. But I've seen two
> points in
> >> the thread which
> >> > make sense: Vlad, our guardian of the parser, says
> that
> >> it's a good
> >> > idea, and the comparison with OverloadedLabel
> (made by
> >> Vlad and others)
> >> > is apt, and the symmetry is desirable. Ideally the
> >> comparison with
> >> > OverloadedLabel should be made in the Alternatives
> >> section, but I don't
> >> > feel like insisting about it :) .
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 at 21:21, Simon Peyton Jones
> >> > <[16]simon.peytonjones at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:[17]simon.peytonjones at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:[18]simon.peytonjones at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:[19]simon.peytonjones at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm in support too, but I have made some
> substantive
> >> suggestions on
> >> > the GitHub ticket that I'd like to see
> addressed
> >> before we tie a bow
> >> > on this.
> >> >
> >> > Simon
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 at 09:25, Sebastian Graf
> >> <[20]sgraf1337 at gmail.com
> <mailto:[21]sgraf1337 at gmail.com>
> >> > <mailto:[22]sgraf1337 at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:[23]sgraf1337 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm in support as well, but would like to
> see a
> >> single
> >> > clarifying sentence added to the proposal.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> [24]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#discussi
> on_r1826533003
> <[25]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#discuss
> ion_r1826533003>
> <[26]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#discuss
> ion_r1826533003
> <[27]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668#discuss
> ion_r1826533003>>
> >> >
> >> > Am Sa., 2. Nov. 2024 um 07:29 Uhr schrieb
> Erik de
> >> Castro Lopo
> >> > <[28]erikd at mega-nerd.com
> <mailto:[29]erikd at mega-nerd.com>
> >> <mailto:[30]erikd at mega-nerd.com
> <mailto:[31]erikd at mega-nerd.com>>>:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I am in support.
> >> >
> >> > Erik
> >> >
> >> > Matthías Páll Gissurarson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I’m in support. No need to keep
> >> reservations longer than
> >> > necessary.
> >> > >
> >> > > /Matti Palli
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 23:22 Malte
> Ott
> >> > <[32]malte.ott at maralorn.de
> >> <mailto:[33]malte.ott at maralorn.de>
> <mailto:[34]malte.ott at maralorn.de
> >> <mailto:[35]malte.ott at maralorn.de>>> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 2024-10-29 20:12, Adam Gundry
> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> >
> [36]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668
> >>
> <[37]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668>
> >> >
> >> <[38]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668
> >>
> <[39]https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/668>>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I’m in support.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best
> >> > > > Malte
> >> > > >
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