[ghc-steering-committee] #409: Exportable named defaults, Recommendation: Accept

Fri Aug 20 14:26:17 UTC 2021

I am also happy with that solution.

Regards,
Alejandro

El El vie, 20 ago 2021 a las 4:13, Richard Eisenberg <lists at richarde.dev>
escribió:

> I'm happy with this. Thanks!
>
> Richard
>
> On Aug 19, 2021, at 9:25 AM, Eric Seidel <eric at seidel.io> wrote:
>
> Dear Committee,
>
> Simon PJ has requested (on GitHub) that we merge all aspects of this
> proposal into a single extension NamedDefaults. We already had agreement
> that the import behavior should not be guarded by any extension, so I take
> this to mean the following.
>
> The proposal will introduce a single new extension NamedDefaults that
> enables:
>
> 1. The ‘default C (T1, T2, …)’ syntax that specifies the defaulted class.
> 2. Exporting defaulting rules as discussed (explicitly, in the export
> list).
>
> Defaulting rules are always imported (implicitly), with no need to enable
> the NamedDefaults extension.
>
> Any objections?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 14, 2021, at 12:58, Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Eric
>
> I’m in support too – but I have added three small qns to the GitHub thread.
>
> Simon
>
> *From:* ghc-steering-committee <ghc-steering-committee-bounces at haskell.org
> > *On Behalf Of *Spiwack, Arnaud
> *Sent:* 05 August 2021 07:43
> *To:* Eric Seidel <eric at seidel.io>
> *Cc:* ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ghc-steering-committee] #409: Exportable named defaults,
> Recommendation: Accept
>
>
> I'm very supportive of this proposal. Thanks to everyone who participated
> in the discussion. Like Eric, I don't see any value to the ImportedDefault
> extension, and would rather we removed it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 4:10 AM Eric Seidel <eric at seidel.io> wrote:
>
> Committee,
>
> Mario has updated the proposal following some discussion on GitHub around
> the question of implicit vs explicit export and import of default rules.
> The result is
>
> 1. *Implicit import*: any and all forms of `import M` also import any
> defaulting rules exported by M, like type classes.
>
> 2. *Explicit export*: defaulting rules must be explicitly exported like
> named things, mostly. The one exception is that
>
>     module M (module N) where { import N }
>
> does not re-export any defaulting rules imported from N. Simon PJ argued
> strongly for this change on GitHub[1].
>
> With that question settled, and with Simon and Richard's assent on GitHub,
> *I'd like to recommend that we accept the proposal*. However, I still do
> not see the need for a separate ImportedDefaults extension and would
> recommend that we enable the import behavior universally.
>
> [1]:
> https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/409#issuecomment-882338794
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> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, at 04:09, Simon Peyton Jones wrote:
> >
> > I have added this as a comment in the GitHub repo, since others may
> > want to express an opinion
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > *From:* ghc-steering-committee
> > <ghc-steering-committee-bounces at haskell.org> *On Behalf Of *Richard
> > Eisenberg
> > *Sent:* 11 July 2021 02:48
> > *To:* Eric Seidel <eric at seidel.io>
> > *Cc:* ghc-steering-committee at haskell.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [ghc-steering-committee] #409: Exportable named
> > defaults, Recommendation: Partial Accept
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 9, 2021, at 12:35 AM, Eric Seidel <eric at seidel.io> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, at 13:16, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > >
> > >> a different way to phrase that question might be: Do we want these
> > >> defaulting declarations to behave just exactly like named things, or
> > >> exactly like typeclass instances, or do we afford a new class with
> it’s
> > >> own exporting/importing behavior. Is that a fair assessment?
> > >
> > > Not entirely, I think.
> > >
> > > We currently have two types of import/export behavior:
> > > named things, and typeclass instances. The proposal as currently
> > > written places defaulting rules somewhere in between: defaulting
> > > rules are exported like named things, but imported like class
> instances.
> > > This is new, but not too foreign, as the behavior on both sides exactly
> > > matches existing behavior we're familiar with. It's just the
> combination
> > > that's new.
> >
> > This doesn't match my understanding of the proposal. It looks to me
> > that, as written in the proposal, exports of a `default` would have to
> > be explicit. That is, a module starting with `module M where ...` would
> > not export any defaults. This fact is a bit implied in the proposal
> > ("This proposal does not modify that behaviour: a `default` declaration
> > by itself does not apply outside its module."), but it's my best
> > understanding.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Simon and I have discussed. We both came to an agreement that imports
> > should have to be explicit.
> >
> > GHC currently has two import/export strategies.
> >
> > Strategy 1: Always. In the Always strategy, an entity is always
> > exported from a module and always brought into scope from an imported
> > module. The Always strategy is used for type and class instances.
> >
> > Strategy 2: Public. In the Public strategy, an entity is exported by
> > default (no export list) or when explicitly included in an export list.
> > It is brought into scope from an importing module by default (no import
> > list) or when explicitly included in an import list. A Public entity
> > may be excluded from scope by a `hiding` clause. All top-level named
> > entities are exported/imported via the Public strategy.
> >
> > I propose (with Simon's support)
> >
> > Strategy 3: Private. In the Private strategy. an entity is exported
> > only when explicitly included in an export list, and it is brought into
> > scope from an imported module only when explicitly included in the
> > import list. I propose we use Private for `default` declarations (only).
> >
> > Reasons:
> >
> > * Changing defaulting behavior really can launch the rockets. Suppose T
> > has a Num instance whose fromInteger uses unsafePerformIO to launch the
> > rockets. Then including T in an import list could make a very
> > innocent-looking `x = 5` declaration launch the rockets.
> >
> > * GHC currently supports an option -ddump-minimal-imports, which
> > displays import lists describing what symbols must be brought into
> > scope from an imported module. If a `import M` import statement brought
> > defaulting behavior into scope, then going from `import M` to `import M
> > (foo, bar)` might deleteriously change defaulting behavior, thus
> > invalidating the work of -ddump-minimal-imports.
> >
> > * The proposal as written does not describe how `module` exports work
> > with named defaults. For example, what happens in `module B (module A)
> > where import A`? Normally, that re-exports all names in scope both as
> > `A.blah` and as `blah`. But, of course, a default isn't named in this
> > way. So is the default exported? By requiring explicit inclusion in the
> > export list, the Private strategy sidesteps this question.
> >
> > * This is a more conservative choice. We can always revisit this in the
> > light of experience. However, if defaults were always imported, it
> > would be much more disruptive to make them imported only by request.
> >
> > We have rightly identified that using the Private strategy would
> > potentially reduce the usefulness of this idea, especially with
> > alternative Preludes. As far as I know, GHC does not currently
> > officially support having an alternative Prelude. That is, an
> > "alternative Prelude" is really just disabling the import of
> > base.Prelude and then importing some other module. However, we could
> > imagine a compiler flag that specifies another package (or module name)
> > to use as the Prelude... and then we could also specify how it is
> > imported. For example, we could say that the Prelude is imported with
> >
> > > import Prelude
> > > import Prelude ( default(..) )
> >
> > where the second line says to grab all the defaults. I think this would
> > be reasonable, but not necessary in the first version of this current
> > proposal.
> >
> > Richard
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