[core libraries] Re: Add taggedTrace to Debug.Trace

[Yuji Yamamoto]

> But there are
> plenty of little things in there which mean I would still use my own
> library, not Debug.Trace, even if it did have a few extra functions.

Oh, I see.
That's actually possible.
Okay, I'll withdraw my suggestion this time.

Thanks!

2018年6月12日(火) 14:25 Evan Laforge <qdunkan at gmail.com>:

> I agree that tags are necessary, and in fact I recently ported my
> internal debug library to cabal because now that I'm doing more stuff
> with cabal I find life too difficult without my accustomed debug
> library.  For reference, it is this, but nothing fancy:
> https://github.com/elaforge/el-debug/blob/master/src/EL/Debug.hs
>
> So that's a vote for those things being worth it.  But there are
> plenty of little things in there which mean I would still use my own
> library, not Debug.Trace, even if it did have a few extra functions.
> Such as pretty printing, forcing to avoid interleaved output, timeouts
> to avoid hanging, function return value tracing, and probably many
> more.  And even after that, since there's no global agreed-upon Pretty
> class, I had to remove the Pretty variants, which means it loses a
> lot.  And it may seem petty, but since I type them all the time, I'd
> want to use my short names, rather than the increasingly long and
> clunky ones in Debug.Trace.
>
> So rather than adding little bits to Debug.Trace to nudge it towards
> usefulness, maybe it would be better to make your own ideal debug
> trace library, and just use that wherever you go.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:18 PM, Yuji Yamamoto
> <whosekiteneverfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Can anyone give me more feedback?
> > I'm interested especially in my last reply.
> >
> >
> > 2018年6月8日(金) 9:19 Yuji Yamamoto <whosekiteneverfly at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Almost any formatting will do. At least I never care.
> >> I assume those APIs would be used for very ad-hoc use (like the other
> APIs
> >> in Debug.Trace).
> >> And debug codes put by such cases are deleted or disabled by NoTrace
> >> package in production.
> >> I want handy default functions available without batteries.
> >> Detailed formatting for debug messages should be configured by
> >> third-parties' logging libraries.
> >>
> >> 2018年6月8日(金) 4:29 Andrew Martin <andrew.thaddeus at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> I am -1 on this. Such a function requires making a decision about
> >>> formatting. What does a user expect from
> >>>
> >>> > taggedTraceShowId "meganum" (42 :: Int)
> >>>
> >>> Any of these are reasonable:
> >>>
> >>> meganum: 42
> >>> meganum [42]
> >>> [meganum]: 42
> >>>
> >>> In different applications I've worked on, I've wanted different flavors
> >>> of something like this. Since there's no obvious choice, I don't think
> base
> >>> is a good place for such a function.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Ben Gamari <ben at smart-cactus.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Edward Kmett <ekmett at gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> > What different users would do with such a prefix, how to display it,
> >>>> > etc. varies just enough that i’m somewhat hesitant to grow the API.
> >>>> > I’m a very weak -1. But I’d happily let anybody else on the
> committee
> >>>> > override that if they had a strong preference.
> >>>> >
> >>>> Right, as I mentioned I'm not sure about the tagging idea. However, I
> >>>> have found things of the form `(a -> String) -> a -> a` handy in the
> >>>> past.
> >>>> Then again, it's pretty trivial to open-code this when needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> - Ben
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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