Cmm Memory Model (Understanding #15449)

Carter Schonwald carter.schonwald at
Fri Dec 7 02:06:54 UTC 2018

Awesome summary by Ben!

theres also some crazy hijinks needed currently to do compare and swap
style stuff

for some discussion. (i'm not sure what the current state of the world is
on CAS tech)

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:45 AM Ben Gamari <ben at> wrote:

> Travis Whitaker <pi.boy.travis at> writes:
> > Hello GHC Devs,
> >
> > I'm trying to get my head around ticket #15449 (
> > This gist of things is
> that
> > GHC generates incorrect aarch64 code that causes memory corruption in
> > multithreaded programs run on out-of-order machines. User trommler
> > discovered that similar issues are present on PowerPC, and indeed ARMv7
> and
> > PowerPC support the same types of load/store reorderings. The LLVM code
> > emitted by GHC may be incorrect with respect to LLVM's memory model, but
> > this isn't a problem on architectures with minimal reordering like x86.
> >
> Thank you for picking this up!
> > I had initially thought that GHC simply wasn't emitting the appropriate
> > LLVM fences; there's an elephant-gun-approach here (
> > that
> > guards each atomic operation with a full barrier. I still believe that
> > is omitting necessary LLVM fences, but this change is insufficient to fix
> > the behavior of the test case (which is simply GHC itself compiling a
> test
> > package with '-jN', N > 1).
> >
> > It seems there's a long and foggy history of the Cmm memory model. Edward
> > Yang discusses this a bit in his post here (
> >
> )
> > and issues similar to #15449 have plagued GHC in the past, like #12469 (
> > Worryingly, GHC only has
> > MO_WriteBarrier, whereas PowerPC and ARMv7 really need read, write, and
> > full memory barriers. On ARM an instruction memory barrier might be
> > required as well, but I don't know enough about STG/Cmm to say for sure,
> > and it'd likely be LLVM's responsibility to emit that anyway.
> >
> In my opinion GHC's current memory model story is quite unsustainable. As
> you point out, we currently have a limited selection of plain barriers
> and a few atomic operations, none of which are adequately documented
> given the subtlety they involve.
> I think we would at this point be foolish not to take advantage of the
> research that has been done in this area by moving to C11-style
> acquire/release semantics wherever possible. While following through on
> this is not a small task, these semantics are both well defined and
> easier to reason about intuitively. We might also be able to benefit
> from the wealth of model checking tools that are now available for this
> formalism.
> Ulan Degenbaev (CC'd) and I discussed him possibly picking up the task
> of moving to C11 atomics a few weeks ago.
> > I'm hoping that someone with more tribal knowledge than I might be able
> to
> > give me some pointers with regards to the following areas:
> >
> >
> >    - Does STG itself have anything like a memory model? My intuition says
> >    'definitely not', but given that STG expressions may contain Cmm
> operations
> >    (via StgCmmPrim), there may be STG-to-STG transformations that need
> to care
> >    about the target machine's memory model.
> As far as I know, it has nothing formally, or even informally, defined.
> That being said, relatively few of our primops make any guarantees about
> their operation in a concurrent setting. The cases that I can think of
> include `casArray#`, `atomicModifyIORef#`, `atomic{Read,Write}*Array#`
> and the STM operations.
> >    - With respect to Cmm, what reorderings does GHC perform? What are the
> >    relevant parts of the compiler to begin studying?
> As far as I know, very few. We only perform a handful of optimizations
> on C--. These include,
>  * Sinking of assignments (see compiler/cmm/CmmSink.hs); see
>    CmmSink.conflicts for what commutation we allow. We notably don't
>    allow sinking of any memory assignments past calls (including
>    primops)
>  * Simple constant folding (see CmmOpt.cmmMachOpFoldM)
>  * Common block elimination (see CmmCommonBlockElim)
>  * Some simple control-flow optimisation (see CmmContFlowOpt)
> >    - Are the LLVM atomics that GHC emits correct with respect to the LLVM
> >    memory model? As it stands now LLVM fences are only emitted for
> >    MO_WriteBarrier. Without fences accompanying the atomics, it seems
> the LLVM
> >    compiler could float dependent loads/stores past atomic operations.
> Frankly, I would be surprised if they are correct. Few people have
> really looked at GHC's memory ordering properties and even fewer have
> looked at those of the LLVM backend.
> >    - Why is MO_WriteBarrier the only provided memory barrier? My hunch is
> >    that it's because this is the only sort of barrier required on x86,
> which
> >    only allows loads to be reordered with older stores, but perhaps I'm
> >    missing something? Is it plausible that Cmm simply needs additional
> barrier
> >    primitives to target these weaker memory models? Conversely, is there
> some
> >    property of Cmm that let's us get away without read barriers at all?
> >
> Note that there are a few others defined in SMP.h (namely
> store_load_barrier and load_load_barrier). However, see the discussion
> above. My understanding is that there were just very few formalisms for
> reasoning about weak memory models when this code was written. The
> literature now contains a much better understanding of this field but
> GHC has yet to catch up.
> Cheers,
> - Ben
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