Phabricator for patches and code review
fuuzetsu at fuuzetsu.co.uk
Sat Jun 7 07:20:06 UTC 2014
On 06/07/2014 07:21 AM, Manuel M T Chakravarty wrote:
> So, why not put everything on GutHub and use pull requests and so on?
> SimonM writes that Phabricator is better than GitHub. I’m happy to believe that, but he also writes that using it requires installing local software and quite a bit of work. Moreover, I like to add that lots of people already know how to use GitHub and probably few know Phabricator.
> So, we are talking about having a somewhat better tool in return for three very significant disadvantages: (1) local installation, (2) work to set up and maintain Phabricator, and (3) effort by many people to learn to use it.
> We also have a constant lack of sufficient men power. So, why spend effort on building our own infrastructure, which will only increase the hurdle for contributors (as they have to deal with an unknown system)? Let’s outsource the effort to GitHub.
While I'm usually in favour of using GitHub for something due to the
sheer amount of exposure to people with existing accounts, I have to say
that there are few major deficiencies with it for this particular task:
issue tracking is crap, you can do very little in ways of customisation,
the TOS is pretty scary, labels are not sufficient enough for anything
serious, it's very easy to miss comments on specific lines…. It's really
not suited for medium/large scale issue tracking and code review.
I do agree with you on the 3 disadvantages of using something like
Phabricator (and I add an extra one that now a browser so for example
you can't use it on X-less box although I'm not sure what the locally
installed software does) but if people reading the patches (Austin,
Herbert, anyone concerned at the moment) find it easier to do their job
AND it becomes easier to ask for feedback then I think we should give it
As it stands, I'd rather use e-mail + few policies for code review &c
rather than GitHub which is really not suited for this task. Big
downside of e-mail/Trac for this is it's hard to give iterative feedback
on changing parts of patches.
> Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com>:
>> At the moment GHC's main sources aren't on github, which means that that (in my highly imperfect understanding) people can't submit pull requests or use their code review mechanisms. Moreover, most people don't have commit rights on the main GHC server, so if someone wants to offer a patch they can really only do so in textual form attached to Trac. People with commit rights can make a branch, but there's a danger that over a decade we'll accumulate zillions of dead branches which people forgot to delete. I think on github the branch is in a different repo, belonging to the patch author.
>> So we really don't have a good work flow for creating, reviewing, modifying, and finally apply patches. I am no expert on these matters. If Phabricator would help with that I'm all for it. But perhaps there are other alternatives? Or is Phab the lead thing. Will it stay around?
>> Also before going too far I'd really like someone to document the workflow carefully, and make sure it works from Windows equally well.
>> I'm not too stressed out about losing the review trail of a patch. Much of it will be commenting on stuff that no longer appears in the final patch. Anything that's important should appear in a Note in the source code; even the commit messages are invisible until you really start digging.
>> | -----Original Message-----
>> | From: ghc-devs [mailto:ghc-devs-bounces at haskell.org] On Behalf Of Austin
>> | Seipp
>> | Sent: 06 June 2014 05:06
>> | To: ghc-devs at haskell.org
>> | Subject: RFC: Phabricator for patches and code review
>> | Hello all,
>> | Recently, while doing server maintenance, several of the administrators
>> | for Haskell.org set up an instance of Phabricator, located at
>> | https://phabricator.haskell.org
>> | For those who aren't aware, Phabricator (or "Phab") is a suite of tools
>> | for software development. Think of it like a polished, semi-private
>> | GitHub with a lot of applications and tools for all kinds of needs.
>> | We've been using it to do issue tracking for Haskell.org maintenance and
>> | like it a lot so far.
>> | One very nice aspect of Phabricator though is it has a very nice code
>> | review tool, called 'Differential', that is very useful. For people who
>> | have used a tool like Review Board, it's similar. Furthermore, it has a
>> | very convenient userland tool called 'Arcanist' which makes it easy for
>> | newcomers to post a review and get it merged when it's ready all from
>> | the command line.
>> | I'd like to see if people are interested in using Phab _strictly_ for
>> | code review of GHC patches. It is a dedicated tool specifically for
>> | this, and I think it works much better than Trac or inline GitHub
>> | comments.
>> | Also, Phab can also support post-commit reviews. So if I touch something
>> | in the runtime system and just push, perhaps Simon or Edward would like
>> | to look, and they can be alerted right when I do this, and then yell if
>> | I did something stupid.
>> | Before I go much further, I'd like to ask: is there *any* interest in
>> | this? Or are people satisifed with Trac? The primary motivations are
>> | roughly, in no particular order:
>> | 1) Code review is good for everyone, a good way for people to learn the
>> | code and ask questions, and useful to give feedback to newcomers.
>> | And even experienced GHC hackers can learn things from reading code, as
>> | we all do regularly, or find things that need cleanup.
>> | 2) Phabricator in particular makes it very easy to submit patches for
>> | review. To submit a patch, I just run the command 'arc diff' and it Does
>> | The Right Thing. It also makes it easy to ensure people are
>> | *alerted* when a patch might be relevant to them.
>> | 3) They can be uploaded and created from the command line, and merged
>> | easily afterwords the same way. This is particularly useful for
>> | newcomers, and for me. :)
>> | 4) Differential is dedicated to code review, and much better at it than
>> | just reading patches on Trac IMO.
>> | 5) It supports both post-commit code review, as well as pre-commit
>> | review. Post commit would be especially useful for us too, I think.
>> | Point #2 and #3 are mostly relevant for me, because I mostly handle
>> | incoming patches. But I think in general it would be nice, and make it a
>> | lot easier for newcomers to submit patches, and us to look over them.
>> | Here's an example of a Differential code review:
>> | https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4
>> | This is a demo using my 'wip/ermsb' patch. You'll need to create an
>> | account to login, but it shouldn't be much trouble, you can login
>> | several ways. I'll fix the login requirement soon. Feel free to read the
>> | code, comment on it, and play around. It's more of a demonstration, but
>> | real code review would be welcome too. :)
>> | If people are interested in doing this, I can add notes to the wiki
>> | pages for newcomers, and I'll send another email about Phab so people
>> | can understand it a little better. But I want to ask first.
>> | There is an argument that our team is so small, code review has
>> | unnecessary burdens. But I think Phab could help a lot with tracking
>> | outside patches and getting good reviews for incoming patches, and it'll
>> | make it easier for newcomers. And experienced pros can probably learn a
>> | thing as well.
>> | Again, to be clear, I don't propose we migrate anything to Phabricator
>> | from, say, Trac. There's no real pressure to do so and it would be tons
>> | of work. I only propose we use it for code review, which is perfectly
>> | fine, and how other projects like LLVM do code review (they use
>> | Bugzilla).
>> | I also don't think the usage of Phabricator should be mandatory (unless
>> | we decide that later because we like it), but I would like to see people
>> | use it if possible.
>> |  http://phabricator.org
>> | --
>> | Regards,
>> | Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant
>> | Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/
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