Wither Haskell Platform 2013.4.0.0

[Carter Schonwald]

It's worth noting that it's possible to have a working setup with Xcode 5,
it just requires having your own additional build of GCC locally (indeed,
that's my current setup), though this will likely have crazy linker errors
if I'm not careful :-) when linking a c++ lib built with clang.

On Monday, October 14, 2013, Edward Kmett wrote:

> As I do most of my development on a Mac I confess I currently live in fear
> of accidentally clicking on the XCode 5 upgrade button and winding up in an
> unsupported configuration. That makes me very leery of option C, where
> developers like me are treading on egg-shells around system updates for the
> next 6 months.
>
> -Edward
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Mark Lentczner <mark.lentczner at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'mark.lentczner at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
>> It wasn't my intention to open up the whole question of scheduled
>> releases. HP has a regular release schedule, and there were many good
>> discussions leading up to it. As for the timing of those releases, last
>> time we looked into this there was no good release time that worked for all
>> the common Linux distro's release schedules. Perhaps GNOME has figured this
>> one out - they release stable end of September and end of March. We could
>> aim to glide toward that.
>>
>> Back to this release:
>>
>> GHC 7.8 won't be ready for inclusion in an HP for quite some time. We
>> haven't even seen the first release yet! If it has stabilized by end of
>> February, then it could make it into the next HP (assuming we don't move
>> the schedule up to match GNOME).  But I think realistically, one shouldn't
>> expect a GHC 7.8 as part of an HP release until 2014.4.0.0. *[Aside: If
>> the community wants to see closer tracking, then we probably need to start
>> talking about a different way of producing GHC - with both stable and
>> experimental releases happening... when this idea has been raised in the
>> past, GHC central hasn't had the person-power to do it.]*
>> *
>> *
>> The next Mac OS X is indeed right around the corner (no official date
>> from Apple, just "this Autumn") - the GM release candidate of both OS X
>> Mavericks and Xcode 5 are already in developers (and my) hands. My
>> understanding is that current HP just won't work on it - which means we
>> really should get something out to support it.
>>
>> SO, back to concrete ideas:
>>
>> *A) Minor release*
>>
>> *• Minor rev:* since GHC and most packages haven't changed, and we won't
>> be adding anything, just roll it as normal now.
>> *• Bump for Mac:* immediately after, roll HP 2013.4.1.0 which has GHC
>> 7.6.3 + patches (perhaps named 7.6.4?), so this works w/Xcode 5
>>
>> *—or—*
>> *B) Delay release*
>>
>> *• New packages:* running the normal process, just a month late
>>
>> *• Bump for Mac: *get GHC central to put out 7.6.4 which has what is
>> needed to support Xcode 5
>>
>> *—or—*
>> *C) Skip a release*
>>
>> *• Go for 7.8:* push everyone (GHC central, library maintainers) to get
>> 7.8 stable ASAP
>>
>> *• Big Push for Packages:* use the time to push for a significant
>> increase in the packages in the Platform
>>
>> *• Release in March: *aiming to sync with GNOME, assuming they're on to
>> something!
>>
>>
>> As attractive as some aspects of C are, it leaves anyone with a Mac out
>> in the cold for six months: They either can't upgrade, or can't Haskell.
>>
>> A requires duplicate effort (mostly on my part), but is otherwise
>> mechanical... and not that exciting.
>>
>> B deviates from our schedule, but if GHC can roll a 7.6.4, might get us
>> an HP with some new packages.
>>
>> — Mark
>>
>>
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