Fundeps and type equality
Simon Peyton-Jones
simonpj at microsoft.com
Fri Jan 11 16:53:25 CET 2013
Ian: isn't the documentation URL below supposed to be updated nightly from HEAD? I got it from here:
http://www.haskell.org/ghc/download#snapshots
S
From: ghc-tickets-bounces at haskell.org [mailto:ghc-tickets-bounces at haskell.org] On Behalf Of Richard Eisenberg
Sent: 11 January 2013 14:42
To: Simon Peyton-Jones
Cc: glasgow-haskell-bugs at haskell.org; Martin Sulzmann; GHC Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Fundeps and type equality
That link looks like it points to the manual for the most recent distribution, not HEAD. The edits I put into the manual for the new family instances are not there, for example.
Richard
On Jan 11, 2013, at 4:56 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com<mailto:simonpj at microsoft.com>> wrote:
The manual for HEAD is always online here
http://www.haskell.org/ghc/dist/current/docs/html/users_guide/type-families.html#type-instance-declarations
Simon
From: Richard Eisenberg [mailto:eir at cis.upenn.edu]
Sent: 11 January 2013 03:03
To: Carter Schonwald
Cc: Martin Sulzmann; glasgow-haskell-bugs at haskell.org<mailto:glasgow-haskell-bugs at haskell.org>; Simon Peyton-Jones; GHC Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Fundeps and type equality
Yes, I finished and pushed in December. A description of the design and how to use the feature is here:
http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/NewAxioms
There's also a section (7.7.2.2 to be exact) in the manual, but building the manual from source is not for the faint of heart.
Richard
On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Carter Schonwald <carter.schonwald at gmail.com<mailto:carter.schonwald at gmail.com>> wrote:
so the overlapping type families are in HEAD?
Awesome! I look forward to finding some time to try them out :)
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Richard Eisenberg <eir at cis.upenn.edu<mailto:eir at cis.upenn.edu>> wrote:
For better or worse, the new overlapping type family instances use a different overlapping mechanism than functional dependencies do. Class instances that overlap are chosen among by order of specificity; overlapping instances can be declared in separate modules. Overlapping family instances must be given an explicit order, and those that overlap must all be in the same module. The decision to make these different was to avoid type soundness issues that would arise with overlapping type family instances declared in separate modules. (Ordering a set of family instance equations by specificity, on the other hand, could easily be done within GHC.)
So, as yet, we can't fully encode functional dependencies with type families, I don't think.
Richard
On Jan 2, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Martin Sulzmann <martin.sulzmann.haskell at googlemail.com<mailto:martin.sulzmann.haskell at googlemail.com>> wrote:
I agree with Iavor that it is fairly straight-forward to extend FC to support FD-style type improvement. In fact, I've formalized such a proof language in a PPDP'06 paper:
"Extracting programs from type class proofs"
(type improvement comes only at the end)
Similar to FC, coercions (proof terms) are used to represent type equations (improvement).
Why extend FC?
Why not simply use type families to encode FDs (and thus keep FC simple and small).
It's been a while, but as far as I remember, the encoding is only problematic in case of the combination of FDs and overlapping instances. Shouldn't this now be fixable given
that type family instances can be overlapping?
Maybe I'm missing something, guess it's also time to dig out some old notes ...
-Martin
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones <simonpj at microsoft.com<mailto:simonpj at microsoft.com>> wrote:
As far as I understand, the reason that GHC does not construct such proofs is that it can't express them in its internal proof language (System FC).
Iavor is quite right
It seems to me that it should be fairly straight-forward to extend FC to support this sort of proof, but I have not been able to convince folks that this is the case. I could elaborate, if there's interest.
Iavor: I don't think it's straightforward, but I'm willing to be educated. By all means start a wiki page to explain how, if you think it is.
I do agree that injective type families would be a good thing, and would deal with the main reason that fundeps are sometimes better than type families. A good start would be to begin a wiki page to flesh out the design issues, perhaps linked fromhttp://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/TypeFunctions
The main issues are, I think:
* How to express functional dependencies like "fixing the result type and the first argument will fix the second argument"
* How to express that idea in the proof language
Simon
From: glasgow-haskell-bugs-bounces at haskell.org<mailto:glasgow-haskell-bugs-bounces at haskell.org> [mailto:glasgow-haskell-bugs-bounces at haskell.org<mailto:glasgow-haskell-bugs-bounces at haskell.org>] On Behalf Of Iavor Diatchki
Sent: 26 December 2012 02:48
To: Conal Elliott
Cc: glasgow-haskell-bugs at haskell.org<mailto:glasgow-haskell-bugs at haskell.org>; GHC Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Fundeps and type equality
Hello Conal,
GHC implementation of functional dependencies is incomplete: it will use functional dependencies during type inference (i.e., to determine the values of free type variables), but it will not use them in proofs, which is what is needed in examples like the one you posted. The reason some proving is needed is that the compiler needs to figure out that for each instantiation of the type `ta` and `tb` will be the same (which, of course, follows directly from the FD on the class).
As far as I understand, the reason that GHC does not construct such proofs is that it can't express them in its internal proof language (System FC). It seems to me that it should be fairly straight-forward to extend FC to support this sort of proof, but I have not been able to convince folks that this is the case. I could elaborate, if there's interest.
In the mean time, the way forward would probably be to express the dependency using type families, which I find tends to be more verbose but, at present, is better supported in GHC.
Cheers,
-Iavor
PS: cc-ing the GHC users' list, as there was some talk of closing the ghc-bugs list, but I am not sure if the transition happened yet.
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Conal Elliott <conal at conal.net<mailto:conal at conal.net>> wrote:
I ran into a simple falure with functional dependencies (in GHC 7.4.1):
> class Foo a ta | a -> ta
>
> foo :: (Foo a ta, Foo a tb, Eq ta) => ta -> tb -> Bool
> foo = (==)
I expected that the `a -> ta` functional dependency would suffice to prove that `ta ~ tb`, but
Pixie/Bug1.hs:9:7:
Could not deduce (ta ~ tb)
from the context (Foo a ta, Foo a tb, Eq ta)
bound by the type signature for
foo :: (Foo a ta, Foo a tb, Eq ta) => ta -> tb -> Bool
at Pixie/Bug1.hs:9:1-10
`ta' is a rigid type variable bound by
the type signature for
foo :: (Foo a ta, Foo a tb, Eq ta) => ta -> tb -> Bool
at Pixie/Bug1.hs:9:1
`tb' is a rigid type variable bound by
the type signature for
foo :: (Foo a ta, Foo a tb, Eq ta) => ta -> tb -> Bool
at Pixie/Bug1.hs:9:1
Expected type: ta -> tb -> Bool
Actual type: ta -> ta -> Bool
In the expression: (==)
In an equation for `foo': foo = (==)
Failed, modules loaded: none.
Any insights about what's going wrong here?
-- Conal
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