Is Cabal a core library?

[Oleg Grenrus]

I strongly disagree. "Cabal and Cabal-syntax" and cabal-install stuff 
are separate. Would you suggest stack to be a core library too? It 
heavily relies on Cabal/-syntax (and hackage-security).

In my opinion, the development of Cabal-the-library and cabal-install 
should perfectly be in separate repositories. As far as I can tell. The 
only thing holding that down is a kitchen-sink test-suite.

It's not uncommon that people thinking only about cabal-install make 
suboptimal design decisions for Cabal-the-library. It's a library used 
much more than just in cabal-install.

- Oleg

On 7.11.2024 23.41, Mikolaj Konarski wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> We discussed this on the list and on today's cabal devs
> meeting and we are grateful for the proposal and we don't
> only accept it, but we'd like to ask you to consider all
> cabal packages (`Cabal`, `Cabal-syntax`, `cabal-install`
> and `cabal-install-solver`) as core packages. They don't
> really make much sense without each other and while
> only two of them are GHC boot packages, if I'm not mistaken,
> we posit they are all core packages of the Haskell ecosystem.
>
> Cheers,
> Mikolaj
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 12:11 AM Andrew Lelechenko
> <andrew.lelechenko at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Mikolaj,
>>
>> Just a gentle ping, did you come to a conclusion on this?
>> (I’m not on cabal-devel mail list)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2024, at 09:03, Mikolaj Konarski <mikolaj at well-typed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In fact, I'm not sure you are on the cabal-devel list, so I should
>>> have added you to CC of this email.
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Mikolaj Konarski <mikolaj at well-typed.com>
>>> Date: Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 9:59 AM
>>> Subject: Fwd: Is Cabal a core library?
>>> To: <cabal-devel at haskell.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew, thank you for your kind offer.
>>>
>>> Let me forward this to other Cabal developers.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mikolaj
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Andrew Lelechenko <andrew.lelechenko at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Wed, Oct 30, 2024 at 1:50 AM
>>> Subject: Is Cabal a core library?
>>> To: Mikolaj Konarski <mikolaj at well-typed.com>, Hécate <hecate at glitchbra.in>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mikolaj and Hecate,
>>>
>>> There is a push to consolidate notions of boot (= needed to build GHC)
>>> and core (= under CLC aegis) libraries, so that critical parts of
>>> Haskell ecosystem are more resilient. How do you feel about
>>> designating `Cabal` and `Cabal-syntax` as core packages?
>>>
>>> While at the moment Cabal has a very healthy team (thanks a ton for
>>> your work!), there were moments in Cabal history when things were
>>> drastically different. So having an additional safety net, such that
>>> CLC is able to provide additional / emergency maintenance, could be
>>> helpful in future.
>>>
>>> Designating a library as a core package does not impose much change on
>>> day-to-day operations. CLC does not interfere with daily development
>>> of Core Libraries as long as appointed maintainers keep them in an
>>> appropriate shape and support healthy communication with contributors.
>>> You can find the full policy at
>>> https://github.com/haskell/core-libraries-committee?tab=readme-ov-file#core-libraries
>>>
>>> (Feel free to forward to other Cabal developers)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Andrew
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