<div dir="auto">Respectfully: some of us like mailing lists for complicated discussions :) </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The issue here is deviation from processs that support a wider range of participants with different accessibility needs and varying levels of volunteer time. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">More over, a mailing list is easier for curious parties to subscribe to and filter to a dedicated inbox. Have you ever tried doing robust mailbox filters for GitHub or gitlab? It’s pretty tricky without creating a firehose of all repo events unless you’re in a group that’s always tagged. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Any ticket tagged core libraries on gitlab needs to have a corresponding email to this list for folks who aren’t administratively in that notification group. Or needs to link to a thread here motivating it. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m on that notification list for gitlab because current clc folks wanted me to continue helping out, but that’s not a scalable open participation model. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:41 PM Sandy Maguire <<a href="mailto:sandy@sandymaguire.me">sandy@sandymaguire.me</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">At risk of being the messenger who gets shot.... <br><br>As an outsider, it seems very reasonable to me to file a bug against the issue tracker for a project whose code I think should be changed. For better or worse, this is the way that 99% of software projects work. Expecting everyone in the community to know that they _shouldn't_ be filing bugs against the issue tracker is a losing battle. I'm more hooked in than most, and even I didn't know this.<br><div><br></div><div>I can empathize with things not being done the way you'd like to be, but the claim that things happening on the GHC tracker are done "in private" is silly. The gitlab tracker is 10x more accessible, and the lack of community engagement on the mailing lists speaks volumes.<br><br>And besides, nobody wants to be on a mailing list anyway. It's a terrible experience with weird branching and no persistence, and while there are archives, it's an extremely unpleasant thing to try to spelunk through.<br><br>Best,<br>Sandy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 8:52 AM Henning Thielemann <<a href="mailto:lemming@henning-thielemann.de" target="_blank">lemming@henning-thielemann.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><br>
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, Oleg Grenrus wrote:<br>
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> For example<br>
><br>
> - <a href="https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20044" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20044</a> ByteArray migration<br>
> from primitive to base<br>
> - <a href="https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20027" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20027</a> Changing Show String<br>
> behavior<br>
><br>
> Why they are discussed "in private", I thought libraries@ list is where<br>
> such changes should be discussed.<br>
<br>
I think so, too, and I missed them as well.<br>
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