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<p>Bump. It looks like both my MR (!4727) and this email went
unnoticed?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/4/21 1:59 AM, John Ericson wrote:<br>
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<p>With the recent approval of <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/4527"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/4527</a>,
I thought it might be good to revisit this. I implemented my
plan in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/4727</a>.</p>
<p>I point a hope the concrete implementation will make clear is
that the flexible contexts and quantified constraints are
*complementing*, not *competing*. You can do the flexible
instance without the quantified constraint, but if you do the
breakage will be worse, and the only newly-allowed programs will
be dubious ones that did the *1 instance but forgot the
corresponding regular instance.</p>
<p>I hope we can make progress here,</p>
<p>John<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/19/20 10:51 AM, John Ericson
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<div>* FlexibleContexts approach: `(Eq (Maybe
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<div>* Eq1 typeclass: `(Eq1 f, Eq a)`</div>
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<p>So if (per my plan[1]) `Eq1` has the quantified constraints
super-class,than Andrew Martin's second two options will imply
the first one. So it seems that the FlexibleContexts choice
--- asking for precisely what is needed --- is the best
option, dare I say a principle type.</p>
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issues or composition/ generality concerns before folding
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<p>I am with you Carter, but the only issues with quantified
constraints we've discussed is around (~) and Coercible, but
both shouldn't apply here, so I think that's a red-herring.<br>
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<p>In particular, only the *1 classes would have a *wanted*
quantified constraint via super class (so just one imposed on
instances). Everything else would just use FlexibleContexts or
stay the same. [Extra given constraints do not in and of
themselves pose inference problems.]</p>
<p>It is because the *1 classes do not involve (~) or Coercible,
or have anything like a `Type -> Constraint` parameters
that could be substituted for (partially applied) (~) or
Coercible, that those concerns shouldn't apply.<br>
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<p>John</p>
<p>[1]: So nobody need waste their time looking it up, the super
class is (forall x. Eq x => Eq (f x)) => Eq1 f<br>
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