<div dir="auto">So you're saying that the fact that there's basically a civil war and pandemic going on is no excuse to respond to e-mails. And you're calling his behavior "tyrannous" when there are literal tyrants shooting tear gas at civilians.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I gotta admit, this makes me disinclined to believe you're acting in good faith. Sometimes shit happens to good people, and someone who can't show a little compassion in these (pardon the cliche) unprecedented times is not someone I want anywhere involved in package management.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 02:18 Fumiaki Kinoshita <<a href="mailto:fumiexcel@gmail.com">fumiexcel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">For example video call is not a great method for me because of the following reasons:<div><br></div><div>* I'm not a good English speaker (especially I sometimes have difficulty with colloquial American English)</div><div>* I live in a different timezone</div><div>* I prefer open communication <br><div><br></div><div>Although it's totally fine that you have a preference, I have no doubt that core library maintenance should have more acceptance and transparency.</div><div><br></div><div>I hesitated talking about this because issues might get locked/edited/deleted, and the participants might get accused of being "thick headed assholes" again like you did in <a href="https://github.com/haskell/vector/issues/267#issuecomment-579588727" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://github.com/haskell/vector/issues/267#issuecomment-579588727</a>, but I must say:<br></div><div>Frankly, it feels extremely unfair that you ask us to focus on "technical matters" (which excludes maintenance for some reason) only, while you frequently use non-technical reasons (your diseases and the situation in New York) as an excuse. Your asthma doesn't rub me in the wrong way; your tyrannous behaviour does. With all due respect I suggest you not to use CLC privileges to cope with your personal stresses.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">2020年6月5日(金) 7:29 Carter Schonwald <<a href="mailto:carter.schonwald@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">carter.schonwald@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">and more details to follow in a few days, i'm pretty fried, there was a police shooting this morning 1 block from my aparment plus a whole mess of stuff going on in lowermanhattan where i live most of the time this week thats got me on edge and stressed out of my gourd.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 6:24 PM Carter Schonwald <<a href="mailto:carter.schonwald@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">carter.schonwald@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">i've added a few folks at uploader/contributor bits, and this is generally something all core libraries need. i really prefer discussion via video call or voice chat or 1-1 neutral language..<div><br></div><div>yesterday i was pretty laid up with some pretty bad asthma etc and allergy drugs, and I'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way . </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:50 AM Profpatsch <<a href="mailto:mail@profpatsch.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mail@profpatsch.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
chessai . <<a href="mailto:chessai1996@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chessai1996@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
<br>
> Yes, please contact me about these concerns. I am reachable via email at<br>
> <a href="mailto:chessai1996@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">chessai1996@gmail.com</a>.<br>
<br>
Great, I’m looking forward to seeing this matter resolved swiftly.<br>
<br>
I am a fan of discussing community matters openly, but everybody can<br>
of course decide whether they want to speak up publicly or privately<br>
talk to a trustee.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 12:24 PM David Feuer <<a href="mailto:david.feuer@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">david.feuer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I urge everyone to direct all further comments on this topic to the<br>
>> current chair of the CLC. There is nothing to be gained from public<br>
>> discussion of a "personnel" matter.<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 10:03 AM Profpatsch <<a href="mailto:mail@profpatsch.de" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mail@profpatsch.de</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I posted this comment on the thread of<br>
>>> <a href="https://github.com/haskell/random/pull/62#issuecomment-638088258" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/haskell/random/pull/62#issuecomment-638088258</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Since it was deleted and the comment thread locked by Carter,<br>
>>> I am escalating this request to the mailing list, where it cannot be<br>
>>> deleted.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Profpatsch <<a href="mailto:notifications@github.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">notifications@github.com</a>> writes:<br>
>>><br>
>>> > @cartazio Please take even a fleeting look at<br>
>>> <a href="https://github.com/idontgetoutmuch/random/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/idontgetoutmuch/random/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed</a>,<br>
>>> notice the amount of discussion and the timeline.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > This is the full-time work of a team of half a dozen of experts,<br>
>>> probably breaching one man-year of effort, easily.<br>
>>> > It cannot just be discarded out of hand.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > I have been following the discussions (spread over mailinglists, issue<br>
>>> trackers and elsewhere), and I propose you hand over maintainership of<br>
>>> `random` as a base package.<br>
>>><br>
>>> A parallel issue with relevant discussion can be found at<br>
>>> <a href="https://github.com/haskell/random/pull/61" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/haskell/random/pull/61</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> I am writing this email from my personal account, because I fear for<br>
>>> the health of the Haskell ecosystem, and I think Carter’s behaviour is<br>
>>> extremely detrimental to it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think a lot of other people feel the same way, so I encourage you to<br>
>>> add your voice publicly.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ~ Profpatsch<br>
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