<html><head></head><body><div><div></div><div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Zemyla,<br/></div><div class=""><br/></div></div><div class="">I would expect more charitable reception of anything said by anyone, but especially when the original author stated clearly in the very same message that they are not a native English speaker. And even if the words are to be taken on face value, do note that no one has called anyone a tyrant. Calling out specific behaviour (that predates the current pandemic) as "tyrannous" (or "tyrannical") and naming someone a tyrant is simply not the same thing.<br/></div><div class="gmail_signature"><div class=""><br/></div></div></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 13:06:20, Zemyla <span class="" dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zemyla@gmail.com">zemyla@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_extra"><div id="null" style="null" class="gmail_quote"><div class="" dir="auto"><div class="">So you're saying that the fact that there's basically a civil war and pandemic going on is no excuse to respond to e-mails. And you're calling his behavior "tyrannous" when there are literal tyrants shooting tear gas at civilians.<br/></div><div class="" dir="auto"><br/></div><div class="" dir="auto">I gotta admit, this makes me disinclined to believe you're acting in good faith. Sometimes shit happens to good people, and someone who can't show a little compassion in these (pardon the cliche) unprecedented times is not someone I want anywhere involved in package management.<br/></div></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 02:18 Fumiaki Kinoshita <<a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="mailto:fumiexcel@gmail.com">fumiexcel@<wbr/>gmail.<wbr/>com</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="" dir="ltr"><div class="">For example video call is not a great method for me because of the following reasons:<br/></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="">* I'm not a good English speaker (especially I sometimes have difficulty with colloquial American English)<br/></div><div class="">* I live in a different timezone<br/></div><div class=""><div class="">* I prefer open communication <br/></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="">Although it's totally fine that you have a preference, I have no doubt that core library maintenance should have more acceptance and transparency.<br/></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="">I hesitated talking about this because issues might get locked/edited/deleted, and the participants might get accused of being "thick headed assholes" again like you did in <a href="https://github.com/haskell/vector/issues/267#issuecomment-579588727" rel="noopener noreferrer">https:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>github.<wbr/>com/<wbr/>haskell/<wbr/>vector/<wbr/>issues/<wbr/>267#issuecomment-579588727</a>, but I must say:<br/></div><div class="">Frankly, it feels extremely unfair that you ask us to focus on "technical matters" (which excludes maintenance for some reason) only, while you frequently use non-technical reasons (your diseases and the situation in New York) as an excuse. Your asthma doesn't rub me in the wrong way; your tyrannous behaviour does. With all due respect I suggest you not to use CLC privileges to cope with your personal stresses.<br/></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">2020年6月5日(金) 7:29 Carter Schonwald <<a href="mailto:carter.schonwald@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">carter.<wbr/>schonwald@<wbr/>gmail.<wbr/>com</a>>:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="" dir="ltr">and more details to follow in a few days, i'm pretty fried, there was a police shooting <span class="sh-date">this morning</span> 1 block from my aparment plus a whole mess of stuff going on in lowermanhattan where i live most of the time this week thats got me on edge and stressed out of my gourd.<br/></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 6:24 PM Carter Schonwald <<a href="mailto:carter.schonwald@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">carter.<wbr/>schonwald@<wbr/>gmail.<wbr/>com</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="" dir="ltr"><div class="">i've added a few folks at uploader/contributor bits, and this is generally something all core libraries need. i really prefer discussion via video call or voice chat or 1-1 neutral language..<br/></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="">yesterday i was pretty laid up with some pretty bad asthma etc and allergy drugs, and I'm sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way . <br/></div></div><div class=""><br/></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:50 AM Profpatsch <<a href="mailto:mail@profpatsch.de" rel="noopener noreferrer">mail@<wbr/>profpatsch.<wbr/>de</a>> wrote:<br/></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><br/></div><div class="">chessai . <<a href="mailto:chessai1996@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">chessai1996@<wbr/>gmail.<wbr/>com</a>> writes:<br/></div><div class=""> <br/></div><div class=""> > Yes, please contact me about these concerns. I am reachable via email at<br/></div><div class=""> > <a href="mailto:chessai1996@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">chessai1996@<wbr/>gmail.<wbr/>com</a>.<br/></div><div class=""> <br/></div><div class=""> Great, I’m looking forward to seeing this matter resolved swiftly.<br/></div><div class=""> <br/></div><div class=""> I am a fan of discussing community matters openly, but everybody can<br/></div><div class=""> of course decide whether they want to speak up publicly or privately<br/></div><div class=""> talk to a trustee.<br/></div><div class=""> <br/></div><div class=""> <br/></div><div class=""> ><br/></div><div class=""> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 12:24 PM David Feuer <<a href="mailto:david.feuer@gmail.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">david.<wbr/>feuer@<wbr/>gmail.<wbr/>com</a>> wrote:<br/></div><div class=""> ><br/></div><div class=""> >> I urge everyone to direct all further comments on this topic to the<br/></div><div class=""> >> current chair of the CLC. There is nothing to be gained from public<br/></div><div class=""> >> discussion of a "personnel" matter.<br/></div><div class=""> >><br/></div><div class=""> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 10:03 AM Profpatsch <<a href="mailto:mail@profpatsch.de" rel="noopener noreferrer">mail@<wbr/>profpatsch.<wbr/>de</a>> wrote:<br/></div><div class=""> >><br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> I posted this comment on the thread of<br/></div><div class=""> >>> <a href="https://github.com/haskell/random/pull/62#issuecomment-638088258" rel="noopener noreferrer">https:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>github.<wbr/>com/<wbr/>haskell/<wbr/>random/<wbr/>pull/<wbr/>62#issuecomment-638088258</a><br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> Since it was deleted and the comment thread locked by Carter,<br/></div><div class=""> >>> I am escalating this request to the mailing list, where it cannot be<br/></div><div class=""> >>> deleted.<br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> Profpatsch <<a href="mailto:notifications@github.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">notifications@<wbr/>github.<wbr/>com</a>> writes:<br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> > @cartazio Please take even a fleeting look at<br/></div><div class=""> >>> <a href="https://github.com/idontgetoutmuch/random/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed" rel="noopener noreferrer">https:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>github.<wbr/>com/<wbr/>idontgetoutmuch/<wbr/>random/<wbr/>pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed</a>,<br/></div><div class=""> >>> notice the amount of discussion and the timeline.<br/></div><div class=""> >>> ><br/></div><div class=""> >>> > This is the full-time work of a team of half a dozen of experts,<br/></div><div class=""> >>> probably breaching one man-year of effort, easily.<br/></div><div class=""> >>> > It cannot just be discarded out of hand.<br/></div><div class=""> >>> ><br/></div><div class=""> >>> > I have been following the discussions (spread over mailinglists, issue<br/></div><div class=""> >>> trackers and elsewhere), and I propose you hand over maintainership of<br/></div><div class=""> >>> `random` as a base package.<br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> A parallel issue with relevant discussion can be found at<br/></div><div class=""> >>> <a href="https://github.com/haskell/random/pull/61" rel="noopener noreferrer">https:/<wbr/>/<wbr/>github.<wbr/>com/<wbr/>haskell/<wbr/>random/<wbr/>pull/<wbr/>61</a><br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> I am writing this email from my personal account, because I fear for<br/></div><div class=""> >>> the health of the Haskell ecosystem, and I think Carter’s behaviour is<br/></div><div class=""> >>> extremely detrimental to it.<br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> I think a lot of other people feel the same way, so I encourage you to<br/></div><div class=""> >>> add your voice publicly.<br/></div><div class=""> >>><br/></div><div class=""> >>> ~ Profpatsch<br/></div><div class=""> >>> 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