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<p>Le 09/12/2018 à 19:03, Richard Eisenberg a écrit :<br>
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<div class="">What this email seems to suggest to me is that our
guidelines assume good faith, and yet some participants act in
bad faith. I agree this is not well accounted-for in the
guidelines. <br>
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I don't really think that Philippa Cowderoy's warning<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><i>... guidelines like this risk doing even
more damage than not having any. Not only do they lack the means
to handle incidents that have already occurred, they actively
discourage the community from finding those means.<br>
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points to a true danger. Teaching a "correct" behaviour is anyway a
never-ending process.<br>
Although I have seen a good deal of nastiness on the Web,
practically never related to Haskell. There have been some
doctrinal, not very serious disputes, occasionally an X or Y had too
much adrenaline, but the true bad faith is something at most
marginal. Perhaps the reason is -- I cite Simon: <i>The Haskell
community is such a rich collection of <b>intelligent</b>,
passionate, and committed people</i>. <br>
The intelligence is crucial here. It is not democratically
distributed [[my goodness, am I already insulting people?!]], so we
will always need Constitutions, Catechisms, sportmanship rules,
etc., even without the accompanying "criminal codes". The text of
Simon is NOT a proposal to introduce Haskell Inquisition. <br>
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In the context of the Haskell community, spending time on prevention
& punishment of potential bad faith seems to me a bit horrible.<br>
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Ben Lippmeier says<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><i>The way I see it, guidelines for
Respectful Communication are statements of the desired end goal,
but they don’t provide much insight as to the root causes of the
problems, or how to address them. At the risk of trivialising
the issue, one could reduce many such statements to “Can
everyone please stop shouting and be nice to each other.”</i></blockquote>
It is true that most etiquette rules, as vestimentary codes, etc.
are somehow superficial, but the "root causes of the problem" may be
terribly complicated. It is possible to degenerate a communication
system without shouting or being manifestly brutal/impolite, and
here and there the wish to be '<i>effective</i>' wins over the
diplomacy. <br>
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Some of my students stopped asking questions on the Stack Overflow
forum because of that, and there are many other places avoided by
newbies, by fragile people... Sending people away because of
(apparently; often not so) duplicate questions, "downvoting",
forming casts of power-enabled "gurus", who behave disrespectfully,
since they are gurus, issuing statements such as: "read <i>some</i>
tutorial, and <i>then</i> come back", etc., all this exists, may
trigger angry answers, but does not implies bad faith (although too
often signals somehow weak knowledge of psychology). <br>
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Let's be optimistic. I think that it would do a favour for the
[larger] community, if Simon agreed to send the guidelines to
haskell-cafe (and perhaps to some forum outside Haskell as well), I
knew many people (my former students for example), who read only
the -café list...<br>
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Live long and prosper. 🖖<br>
Jerzy Karczmarczuk<br>
[France.]<br>
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