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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">Just wanted to add in: good catch Gershom on identifying the problem, and thank you Taylor for working to remove them from the report.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’d like to add +1 to that. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It’s a source of astonishment, and some dismay, to me that anyone would go to so much trouble to affect a survey about Haskell. (Brexit, perhaps, but Haskell??)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">But many thanks to Gershom and Taylor for dealing with it so professionally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Haskell-community <haskell-community-bounces@haskell.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Snoyman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 18 November 2018 19:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Taylor Fausak <taylor@fausak.me><br>
<b>Cc:</b> haskell-community@haskell.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Haskell-community] 2018 state of Haskell survey results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just wanted to add in: good catch Gershom on identifying the problem, and thank you Taylor for working to remove them from the report.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 18 Nov 2018, at 21:17, Taylor Fausak <<a href="mailto:taylor@fausak.me">taylor@fausak.me</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Great catch, Gershom! There are indeed about 300 responses that tick all the boxes except for disliking the new GHC release schedule. The main thing the attacker seemed to
be interested in was over-representing Stack and Stackage. Also, bizarrely, Java.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">That brings the number of bogus responses up to 3,735, which puts the number of legitimate responses at 1,361. For context, last year's survey asked far fewer questions and
had 1,335 responses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Imants Cekusins wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">What if the announcement mentioned a large number of potentially bogus responses, explained the grounds for this conclusion, with a new survey conducted early next year?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">The next survey would then need to be done differently from this one somehow. To improve the reliability, some authentication may be necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Maybe Stack, Cabal questions could be grouped as separate distinct surveys, conducted by their maintainers through own channels?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Not sure how much value is in exact numbers of users of Stack or Cabal. Both groups are large enough. The maintainers of both groups are aware about usage stats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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