<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">I also noticed a number of other bizarre statistical anomolies when looking at the full results. I know this is a bit much to ask — but if you could rerun the statistics filtering out people that did not give demographic information (i.e. country of origin or education, etc) I think the results will change drastically. By all statistical logic, this should _not_ be the case, and points to a serious problem.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">In particular, this drops the results by a huge amount — only 1,200 or so remain. However, the remaining results tend to make a lot more sense. For example — of the “no demographics” group, there are 713 users who claim to develop with notepad++ but all of these say they develop on mac and linux, and none on windows — which is impossible, as notepad++ is a windows program. Further if you drop the “no demographics” group, then you find that almost everyone uses at least ghc 8.0.2, while in the “no demographics” group, a stunning number of people claim to be on 7.8.3. Even more bizarrely, people claim to be using the 7.8 series while only having used Haskell for less than one year. And people claim to have used haskell for “one week to one month” and also to be advanced and expert users!</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">The differences continue and defy all probability. Of the “no demographics” group, almost everyone dislikes the new release schedule. Of the “demographics” group there are answers that like it, were not aware of it, or are indifferent, but almost nobody dislikes it. There is naturally a difference in proportions of cabal/stack and hackage/stackage responses as well.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">There are a lot of other things I could point to as well. But, bluntly put, I think that some disaffected party or parties wrote a crude script and submitted over 3,000 fake responses. Luckily for us, they were not very smart, and made some obvious errors, so in this case we can weed out the bad responses (although, sadly, losing at least a few real ones as well).</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">However, assuming this party isn’t entirely stupid, it doesn’t bode well for future surveys as they may get at least slightly less dumb in the future if they decide to keep it up :-/</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto">—Gershom</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div> <div id="bloop_sign_1542523428269606144" class="bloop_sign"></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">On November 18, 2018 at 1:10:31 AM, Gershom B (<a href="mailto:gershomb@gmail.com">gershomb@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div dir="auto">This is interesting, but I’m thoroughly confused.
Over 2500 people said they took last year’s survey, but it only had
roughly 1,300 respondants?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 9:56 PM Taylor Fausak
<<a href="mailto:taylor@fausak.me">taylor@fausak.me</a>>
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Hello! It took a little longer than I expected, but I am nearly
ready to announce the 2018 state of Haskell survey results. Some
community members have expressed interest in seeing the
announcement post before it's published. If you are one of those
people, you can see the results here: <a href="https://github.com/tfausak/tfausak.github.io/blob/7e4937e284a3068add9e9af6b585c8d0215ff360/_posts/2018-11-16-2018-state-of-haskell-survey-results.markdown" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/tfausak/tfausak.github.io/blob/7e4937e284a3068add9e9af6b585c8d0215ff360/_posts/2018-11-16-2018-state-of-haskell-survey-results.markdown</a><br>
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If you would like to suggest changes to the announcement post,
please respond to this email, send me an email directly, or reply
to this pull request on GitHub: <a href="https://github.com/tfausak/tfausak.github.io/pull/148" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/tfausak/tfausak.github.io/pull/148</a><br>
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I plan on publishing the results tomorrow. Once the results are
published, the post is by no means set in stone. I will happily
accept suggestions from anyone at any time.<br>
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Thank you!<br>
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