<div dir="ltr">A couple points and a question; please bear with the scattershot:<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">There appears to be a point of view, where the cabal thing is a stagnant piece<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">of technology that only serves to split the community and confuse newcomers<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">by detracting them from the easier, better way.</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">In such a view, it wouldn't be too big a leap to come to an understanding,<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">that phasing out cabal from all avenues does a good service to the<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">community.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If anyone does indeed have this view, please be assured that it is far from universal. Cabal is essential for many Haskell workflows. I and other practitioners use Stack for some projects and Cabal for others because both tools have their strengths, weaknesses, and mutually unique capabilities. The view that Cabal is stagnant is very outdated, most notably with respect to the overall pace and vigor of the Cabal issue tracker, and the excitement around the `cabal new-build` Nix-style commands.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">-1. The topmost method will target beginners of the language and</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> should be Stack even if HP comes with Stack.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Many beginners will be picking up a copy of a book, or working through an established curriculum. While the cutting edge of published guides and course curricula may have converted to Stack, there is a vast quantity of material for beginners that assumes you can type `ghci` and `cabal install` at the prompt. Which particular materials to recommend to a beginner is a matter of reasonable debate, but the best support we can give to those beginners as stewards of the infrastructure is to highlight an option that allows beginners to quickly succeed with the option of their choice.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">should be Stack even if HP comes with Stack.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What is the reasoning here? How does having other tools bundled take away from the new user experience? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Ganesh Sittampalam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ganesh@earth.li" target="_blank">ganesh@earth.li</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1 - that seems like the simplest way of preserving the existing intention.<br>
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On 27/08/2016 06:05, Adam Foltzer wrote:<br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> Since the HP Minimal fits such a similar niche, perhaps we could adapt<br>
> the existing minimal installer language in-place to point to HP Minimal,<br>
> rather than removing it. Then we could modify the existing HP section<br>
> in-place to clarify that it refers to HP Full.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Jason Dagit <<a href="mailto:dagitj@gmail.com">dagitj@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dagitj@gmail.com">dagitj@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hello all,<br>
><br>
> I just realized that the Minimal installer listed first on the<br>
> Downloads page (<a href="https://www.haskell.org/downloads" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.haskell.org/<wbr>downloads</a><br>
</span>> <<a href="https://www.haskell.org/downloads" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.haskell.org/<wbr>downloads</a>>) is deprecated and "dead". This<br>
<span class="">> creates an unfortunate situation where our top suggested way to get<br>
> haskell immediately tells the user it's dead.<br>
><br>
> I think that we should remove mention of the minimal installer ASAP<br>
> on the grounds that the HP now comes in minimal and full variants.<br>
><br>
> Furthermore, I would like to make the recommendation that we list<br>
> the HP above other methods as even the minimal HP installer ships<br>
> with stack (at least on windows it does).<br>
><br>
> Between the two changes, I think the first one is crucial and the<br>
> second one is merely reasonable.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jason<br>
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