From gershomb at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 22:29:19 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:29:19 -0500
Subject: [Haskell-community] Call for Haskell.org Committee Nominations
Message-ID: <CAM8RHpE9wB2TCiQ+8aS5jYeZFQR7r7WeSRsSd4xd9GkkaQqOhA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Haskellers,

It is time to put out a call for new nominations (typically but not
necessarily self-nominations) to the haskell.org committee. We have
four members of our committee due for retirement -- Adam Foltzer,
Nicolas Wu, Andres Loeh, and Edward Kmett (who is stepping down
early). As per our bylaws, three of the slots will be for regular
three year terms, and one will be a short one year term to fill out
the remainder of Edward's.

To nominate yourself, please send an email to committee at haskell.org
by December 2, 2016. The retiring members are eligible to re-nominate
themselves. Please feel free to include any information about yourself
that you think will help us to make a decision.

The Haskell.org committee serves as a board of directors for
Haskell.org, a 501(c)3 nonprofit which oversees technical and
financial resources related to Haskell community infrastructure.

Being a member of the committee does not necessarily require a
significant amount of time, but committee members should aim to be
responsive during discussions when the committee is called upon to
make a decision. Strong leadership, communication, and judgement are
very important characteristics for committee members. The role is
about setting policy, providing direction/guidance for Haskell.org
infrastructure, planning for the long term, and being fiscally
responsible with the Haskell.org funds (and donations). As overseers
for policy regarding the open source side of Haskell, committee
members must also be able to set aside personal or business related
bias and make decisions with the good of the open source Haskell
community in mind.

We seek a broad representation from different segments of the Haskell
world -- including but not limited to those focused on education,
those focused on industrial applications, those with background in
organizing users-groups, and those focused directly on our technical
infrastructure.

More details about the committee's roles and responsibilities are on

    https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell.org_committee

If you have any questions about the process, please feel free to
e-mail us at committee at haskell.org, or contact one of us
individually.

Best,
Gershom Bazerman

From lukewm at riseup.net  Sat Nov 12 09:17:01 2016
From: lukewm at riseup.net (Luke Murphy)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 10:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Haskell-community] Eligibility?
Message-ID: <72d93f74-c64c-2d93-2332-69855bf8b789@riseup.net>

Hi folks,

I just saw the call for committee nominations announced on Haskell Cafe.

That's great and a really nice initiative I wasn't aware about.

However, I didn't find any information about eligibility for prospective 
members on the link provided:

   - https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell.org_committee

For example, guidelines on location, timezone, skill, experience, 
involvement with community etc.

Did I miss it somewhere?

Best,

Luke

From ben at smart-cactus.org  Sun Nov 13 17:04:29 2016
From: ben at smart-cactus.org (Ben Gamari)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Haskell-community] Eligibility?
In-Reply-To: <72d93f74-c64c-2d93-2332-69855bf8b789@riseup.net>
References: <72d93f74-c64c-2d93-2332-69855bf8b789@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <878tsns44i.fsf@ben-laptop.smart-cactus.org>

Just making sure someone sees this.


Luke Murphy <lukewm at riseup.net> writes:

> Hi folks,
>
> I just saw the call for committee nominations announced on Haskell Cafe.
>
> That's great and a really nice initiative I wasn't aware about.
>
> However, I didn't find any information about eligibility for prospective 
> members on the link provided:
>
>    - https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell.org_committee
>
> For example, guidelines on location, timezone, skill, experience, 
> involvement with community etc.
>
> Did I miss it somewhere?
>
> Best,
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> Haskell-community mailing list
> Haskell-community at haskell.org
> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community
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From gershomb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 17:24:17 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:24:17 -0500
Subject: [Haskell-community] Eligibility?
In-Reply-To: <72d93f74-c64c-2d93-2332-69855bf8b789@riseup.net>
References: <72d93f74-c64c-2d93-2332-69855bf8b789@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <CAM8RHpFAabEaimtjt4fY4ePhP1yK7jOsVgLZrJ6aoQV7PYDEHQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's no strict guidelines on location (though a geographic spread
is preferred among members!) or the like. Rather, there are just
factors that will be taken into account in selection. As the call
described:

"We seek a broad representation from different segments of the Haskell
world -- including but not limited to those focused on education,
those focused on industrial applications, those with background in
organizing users-groups, and those focused directly on our technical
infrastructure."

Personally, I would rather people not be shy about nominating
themselves. Better we have too many applicants to consider, than too
few, and better people think about the role they can play and consider
stepping forward into it, rather than sweat about what they haven't
done thus far :-)

Best,
Gershom


On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Luke Murphy <lukewm at riseup.net> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I just saw the call for committee nominations announced on Haskell Cafe.
>
> That's great and a really nice initiative I wasn't aware about.
>
> However, I didn't find any information about eligibility for prospective
> members on the link provided:
>
>   - https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell.org_committee
>
> For example, guidelines on location, timezone, skill, experience,
> involvement with community etc.
>
> Did I miss it somewhere?
>
> Best,
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> Haskell-community mailing list
> Haskell-community at haskell.org
> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community

From lukewm at riseup.net  Mon Nov 14 11:53:31 2016
From: lukewm at riseup.net (Luke Murphy)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:53:31 +0100
Subject: [Haskell-community] Eligibility?
In-Reply-To: <CAM8RHpFAabEaimtjt4fY4ePhP1yK7jOsVgLZrJ6aoQV7PYDEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <72d93f74-c64c-2d93-2332-69855bf8b789@riseup.net>
 <CAM8RHpFAabEaimtjt4fY4ePhP1yK7jOsVgLZrJ6aoQV7PYDEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20b46dd8-7b6b-2d3e-b919-29468587995b@riseup.net>

Thanks for that! I hope many applications will be received :)

Best,

Luke


On 13.11.2016 18:24, Gershom B wrote:
> There's no strict guidelines on location (though a geographic spread
> is preferred among members!) or the like. Rather, there are just
> factors that will be taken into account in selection. As the call
> described:
>
> "We seek a broad representation from different segments of the Haskell
> world -- including but not limited to those focused on education,
> those focused on industrial applications, those with background in
> organizing users-groups, and those focused directly on our technical
> infrastructure."
>
> Personally, I would rather people not be shy about nominating
> themselves. Better we have too many applicants to consider, than too
> few, and better people think about the role they can play and consider
> stepping forward into it, rather than sweat about what they haven't
> done thus far :-)
>
> Best,
> Gershom
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Luke Murphy <lukewm at riseup.net> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I just saw the call for committee nominations announced on Haskell Cafe.
>>
>> That's great and a really nice initiative I wasn't aware about.
>>
>> However, I didn't find any information about eligibility for prospective
>> members on the link provided:
>>
>>    - https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell.org_committee
>>
>> For example, guidelines on location, timezone, skill, experience,
>> involvement with community etc.
>>
>> Did I miss it somewhere?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> Haskell-community mailing list
>> Haskell-community at haskell.org
>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community


From gershomb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 20:18:30 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 15:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Haskell-community] haskell.org download page
In-Reply-To: <ec6b1814-b4ed-dff2-30c0-e71527c276b2@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-DSyzN40sE+-T-31JhgiHmk_ruAAzNQKzYwkJTd5_=9T3-Rw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBp9RkbGwW4MUPrcx=J+m3Toh-M=gj2xOaq9WYf4T1R+impPw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAcnjCSeZ7tfV11H95XVFRraQKP0udVxcce9o7SVOGT0byJP_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFBp9R=JeBKsSwtFs8WCiT5cqzgO6de3cr5_GdjaoCKtK_po4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8RHpETUL=5D6geK6EKpoC1HRfDJvqTH3edTYy6i7MqZOFbZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <m2pooohxs1.fsf@newartisans.com>
 <ec6b1814-b4ed-dff2-30c0-e71527c276b2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8RHpELoKfmCDSU8MU_PNHuEcYMW5Yh0mG2bUFJpU8aDrKqEw@mail.gmail.com>

As an update, the "getting started" section has not been worked on
sufficiently as of yet. However, we have an upcoming platform and ghc
release again, and as the os x and windows minimal installers remain
out-of-date (and increasingly broken) I've taken the "minimal" (pardon
the pun) step of trying to leave nearly everything as is but pointing
the downloads there to minimal "via the platform" rather than via the
outdated methods.

I know this is not where we hoped to be yet, but its a small stopgap
step that i hope people can be ok with while other things get sorted
out.

Thanks everyone for their patience and understanding.

Best,
Gershom

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 5:20 AM, Friedrich Wiemer
<friedrichwiemer at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me, too.
>
> On 01.09.2016 09:41, John Wiegley wrote:
>>>>>>> "GB" == Gershom B <gershomb at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> GB> I think this is a very good point being made. We should disengangle the
>> GB> installer question from the “getting started” question.  Someone on reddit
>> GB> even proposed having two seperate pages entirely.
>>
>> GB> (Again, I give the caveat I’m speaking just for myself here, and thinking
>> GB> this through as an idea I’d like to hear others’ thoughts on).
>>
>> Yes, I also think this is a great idea! +1
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Haskell-community mailing list
> Haskell-community at haskell.org
> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community
>

From ben.richard.spencer at me.com  Tue Nov 22 14:05:26 2016
From: ben.richard.spencer at me.com (Ben Spencer)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:05:26 -0500
Subject: [Haskell-community] Introduction
Message-ID: <FD7C87DC-8D17-4595-BE8C-12C8D19B760A@me.com>

Hello everyone,

I wanted to introduce myself. 

I'm a software developer in NYC that recently discovered Haskell. 

I've been participating in a local study group and I'm impressed with the language and the community thus far. 

Looking forward to great things. 

Best,

Ben Spencer
Sent from my iPhone

From dagitj at gmail.com  Tue Nov 22 17:50:31 2016
From: dagitj at gmail.com (Jason Dagit)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:50:31 -0800
Subject: [Haskell-community] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <FD7C87DC-8D17-4595-BE8C-12C8D19B760A@me.com>
References: <FD7C87DC-8D17-4595-BE8C-12C8D19B760A@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-DSywmLP5VHDBWnrX4uc=a+ay5HDhtss9nTdeNsBqpGM1zLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben,

I'm always happy to see new faces learning Haskell.

By chance did you mean to send this to Haskell-Cafe [1]?

This list is more about discussing community run infrastructure. You're
welcome here, but it may not be what you were expecting.

[1] https://mail.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 6:05 AM, Ben Spencer <ben.richard.spencer at me.com>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself.
>
> I'm a software developer in NYC that recently discovered Haskell.
>
> I've been participating in a local study group and I'm impressed with the
> language and the community thus far.
>
> Looking forward to great things.
>
> Best,
>
> Ben Spencer
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> Haskell-community mailing list
> Haskell-community at haskell.org
> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community
>
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From gershomb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 05:30:41 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:30:41 -0800
Subject: [Haskell-community] ANN: Haskell Website Working Group
Message-ID: <CAM8RHpH0UiCHj8yeZZnVkRvkYiYruFY3cR+1D7WoscLgpWb1LA@mail.gmail.com>

The following text is reproduced from Neil Mitchell’s blog (I’m just
the messanger) where it lives at:
https://neilmitchell.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-haskellorg-website-working-group.html

== The Haskell.org Website Working Group (HWWG) ==

Haskell represents both a language and a user community - and moreover
a fantastic community full of friends, fun, and deep technical debate.
Unfortunately, in recent times the community has started to fracture,
e.g. Cabal vs Stack, haskell.org vs haskell-lang.org. These divisions
have risen above technical disagreements and at some points turned
personal. The solution, shepherded by Simon Peyton Jones, and agreed
to by both members of the haskell.org committee and the maintainers of
haskell-lang.org, is to form the Haskell Website Working Group (HWWG).
The charter of the group is at the bottom of this post.

The goal of the Haskell Website Working Group is to make sure the
Haskell website caters to the needs of Haskell programmers,
particularly beginners. In doing so we hope to either combine or
differentiate haskell.org and haskell-lang.org, and give people clear
recommendations of what "downloading Haskell" means. Concretely, we
hope that either haskell-lang.org redirects to haskell.org, or that
haskell-lang.org ends up being used for something very different from
today.

== The Haskell Website Working Group (HWWG) ==

- Scope and goals -
* The HWWG is responsible for the design and content of the
user-facing haskell.org web site, including tutorials, videos, news,
resource, downloads, etc.
* The HWWG is not responsible for:
   * The infrastructure of haskell.org
   * Toolchains, Hackage, compilers, etc
* The HWWG focuses on serving users of Haskell, not suppliers of
technology or libraries.
* An explicit goal is to re-unite the haskell.org and haskell-lang.org
web sites.

- Expected mode of operation -
* HWWG is not responsible for actually doing everything! The web site
is on github. Anyone can make a pull request. The general expectation
is that uncontroversial changes will be accepted and committed without
much debate.
* If there is disagreement about a proposed change, it's up to the
HWWG to engage in (open) debate, and to seek input as widely as time
allows, but finally to make a decision.

- Membership -

Initial membership comprises of:

* Neil Mitchell (chair)
* Nicolas Wu
* Andrew Cowie
* Vincent Hanquez
* Ryan Trinkle
* Chris Done

It is expected the committee will change over time, but the mechanism
has not yet been thought about.

- Rules of engagement -
* Recognising that honestly-held judgements may differ, we will be
scrupulously polite both in public and in private.
* Recognising that Haskell has many users, and that different users
have different needs and tastes, we want haskell.org to be inclusive
rather than exclusive, providing a variety of alternative resources
(toolchains, tutorials, books, etc) clearly signposted with their
intended audiences.
* Ultimately the haskell.org committee owns the haskell.org URL, but
it delegates authority for the design and content of the web site to
the HWWG. In extremis, if the haskell.org committee believes that the
HWWG is mismanaging the web site, it can revoke that delegation.