From acfoltzer at gmail.com  Mon May  2 18:08:35 2016
From: acfoltzer at gmail.com (Adam Foltzer)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 11:08:35 -0700
Subject: [Haskell-community] On the design used for haskell.org
In-Reply-To: <m2potdo0b6.fsf@newartisans.com>
References: <CAAJHNPD9cyxf4RPA0Nxf8nHM-jg8JE11urBxPfBRMG=XTU+_ZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8RHpE9jGKZcO2CAawHCmryhEFQ6A_QrQVnQi+DTcJWCWLBgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <571E5328.6030805@ro-che.info> <m2potdo0b6.fsf@newartisans.com>
Message-ID: <CAPorAaFVGUOswGMw6tQoEA2Ht-ibuYwtMMBskm3rgXhHyK8NDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Chris,

I would like to thank you again for providing the spark and so much of the
fuel for the effort to redesign Haskell.org. Your contributions, and those
of nearly 50 other contributors, have yielded the most effective and modern
web presence that Haskell has ever enjoyed. I'm truly sorry that the pace
of the work became so frustrating for you, and regret that Haskell.org will
no longer benefit from your considerable care and skill.

Moving forward, we will continue to improve Haskell.org in keeping with our
purpose to advance Haskell and related technologies. In the near term this
means we will continue building upon your open source contributions, but
since you have no wish to contribute further, we will likely move toward a
different design when it becomes feasible.

I sincerely hope this decision will not inhibit further participation in
community discussions and efforts. Haskell.org committee membership is
emphatically not a prerequisite for having influence and impact on how we
use and shape our shared resources. Please understand that it is never our
intent to make you, or anyone else, feel excluded; such is the occasional
unhappy consequence of having to balance a broad set of conflicting
concerns.

Kind regards,

Adam Foltzer on behalf of the Haskell.org Committee

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:17 PM, John Wiegley <johnw at newartisans.com> wrote:

> >>>>> Roman Cheplyaka <roma at ro-che.info> writes:
>
> > I'm not sure though that this opinion is shared by all committee members.
> > John W., for instance, said that you were chosen into the committee
> > precisely for your contributions.
>
> I meant his contributions within the committee, not generally.
>
> > (He seems to have quietly deleted his tweet since; my reply remained:
> > https://twitter.com/shebang/status/723652347352780800.)
>
> I deleted several tweets from that day, because I felt I was becoming
> contentious, something I try to avoid.
>
> --
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From gershomb at gmail.com  Fri May 27 20:49:36 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 16:49:36 -0400
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
Message-ID: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>


I wanted to direct folks? attention to this PR for haskell.org

https://github.com/haskell-infra/hl/pull/162

David Deutsch has gone through and done some CSS cleanup and modernization on haskell.org, as well as pulling the underlying resources (css, etc) into a more standard packaging so that it should be easier to evolve in the future.

There?s a lot more work we can do on the website, but I think this is a good start and I?d be happy to merge in this stuff as is.

However, it would be nice to have some more eyes/conversation on this before we pull the trigger.

Thoughts?

?Gershom

From fa-ml at ariis.it  Fri May 27 21:23:53 2016
From: fa-ml at ariis.it (Francesco Ariis)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 23:23:53 +0200
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
In-Reply-To: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20160527212353.GA3858@casa.casa>

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 04:49:36PM -0400, Gershom B wrote:
> 
> I wanted to direct folks? attention to this PR for haskell.org
> 
> https://github.com/haskell-infra/hl/pull/162
> 
> David Deutsch has gone through and done some CSS cleanup and modernization
> on haskell.org, as well as pulling the underlying resources (css, etc)
> into a more standard packaging so that it should be easier to evolve in
> the future.

Looks nice to me. My minor gripe would be the "video" section: it
seems it takes way too much space for what it offers, especially
while browsing on mobile.

Many thanks to David Deutsch for putting in the work!

From alexander at plaimi.net  Mon May 30 08:56:27 2016
From: alexander at plaimi.net (Alexander Berntsen)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 10:56:27 +0200
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
In-Reply-To: <20160527212353.GA3858@casa.casa>
References: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>
 <20160527212353.GA3858@casa.casa>
Message-ID: <574C003B.6060401@plaimi.net>

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The pink on purple doesn't look accessible. I.e. there is too low
contrast. Please try to make sure WCAG 2.0 is adhered to as strictly
as possible in order to ensure universal design that doesn't
discriminate against people with disabilities.

Thanks to David for working on this!
- -- 
Alexander
alexander at plaimi.net
https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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From skOre at skOre.de  Mon May 30 22:04:42 2016
From: skOre at skOre.de (David Deutsch)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 00:04:42 +0200
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
In-Reply-To: <574C003B.6060401@plaimi.net>
References: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>
 <20160527212353.GA3858@casa.casa> <574C003B.6060401@plaimi.net>
Message-ID: <574CB8FA.9000605@skOre.de>

Hi Alexander,

Thank you for the kind words.

I've checked the color contrast and it seems to range between 3.2 and 
4.7 with a mean contrast at 4.0, which borders on problematic (the 
recommendation is 4.5), but doesn't seem terribly inaccessible, 
especially since it's only used on a handful of links and not the entire 
text.

I will add this to my list of "along the way" improvements for a final 
run, trying to bump the contrast ratio to a more steady 4.5+.


Since you appear to be keen on accessibility: If you have specific 
issues that you would like to raise to and, preferably, advice on how to 
improve them, I'm all ears. I'm pointing that out because "doesn't 
/look/ accessible" (my emphasis) doesn't give me that much to work with 
and I hope it's obvious that following WCAG2.0 "as strictly as possible" 
is not feasible for a volunteer.

While I agree that accessibility is a very important aspect to pay 
attention to, I would appreciate not getting too lost in details like 
this at this stage in the process. The intent of my PR is to replace the 
current site design, not iron out every possible issue with it (similar 
contrast concerns are valid for the current site, for example the 
community section - that we fixed... by removing it - goes as low as 2.3 
in terms of contrast) and certainly not attain a "universal design" 
(which, admittedly, I'm not sure I fully understand the meaning of).


That being said, I appreciate that my PR apparently continues to foster 
a level of bikeshedding (with occasional compliments thrown in) that 
seems to suggest that there isn't much objection to it ;-) So - since my 
time is limited, I hope we can move ahead with the PR some time soon and 
move the more detailed analysis to followup tickets.

best regards,
David



On 30.05.2016 10:56, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
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> The pink on purple doesn't look accessible. I.e. there is too low
> contrast. Please try to make sure WCAG 2.0 is adhered to as strictly
> as possible in order to ensure universal design that doesn't
> discriminate against people with disabilities.
>
> Thanks to David for working on this!
> - -- 
> Alexander
> alexander at plaimi.net
> https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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From gershomb at gmail.com  Mon May 30 23:14:45 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 19:14:45 -0400
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
In-Reply-To: <574CB8FA.9000605@skOre.de>
References: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>
 <20160527212353.GA3858@casa.casa>
 <574C003B.6060401@plaimi.net> <574CB8FA.9000605@skOre.de>
Message-ID: <CAM8RHpFvBMG3YsZRbq3JqYtnYrP0c6N2CryWq-naRp+WZ+3D7A@mail.gmail.com>

David -- that sounds about right to me (in terms of people liking the
broad strokes and raising issues that are important but don't need to
be in scope for this initial phase).

If you have anything else you want to do first, let me know, otherwise
I'll go ahead and accept the pull and, barring any further discussion
that stands in the way, redeploy sometime this week.

We can then proceed in a lot of directions from there :-)

Sound good all?

Cheers,
Gershom

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:04 PM, David Deutsch <skOre at skore.de> wrote:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> Thank you for the kind words.
>
> I've checked the color contrast and it seems to range between 3.2 and 4.7
> with a mean contrast at 4.0, which borders on problematic (the
> recommendation is 4.5), but doesn't seem terribly inaccessible, especially
> since it's only used on a handful of links and not the entire text.
>
> I will add this to my list of "along the way" improvements for a final run,
> trying to bump the contrast ratio to a more steady 4.5+.
>
>
> Since you appear to be keen on accessibility: If you have specific issues
> that you would like to raise to and, preferably, advice on how to improve
> them, I'm all ears. I'm pointing that out because "doesn't /look/
> accessible" (my emphasis) doesn't give me that much to work with and I hope
> it's obvious that following WCAG2.0 "as strictly as possible" is not
> feasible for a volunteer.
>
> While I agree that accessibility is a very important aspect to pay attention
> to, I would appreciate not getting too lost in details like this at this
> stage in the process. The intent of my PR is to replace the current site
> design, not iron out every possible issue with it (similar contrast concerns
> are valid for the current site, for example the community section - that we
> fixed... by removing it - goes as low as 2.3 in terms of contrast) and
> certainly not attain a "universal design" (which, admittedly, I'm not sure I
> fully understand the meaning of).
>
>
> That being said, I appreciate that my PR apparently continues to foster a
> level of bikeshedding (with occasional compliments thrown in) that seems to
> suggest that there isn't much objection to it ;-) So - since my time is
> limited, I hope we can move ahead with the PR some time soon and move the
> more detailed analysis to followup tickets.
>
> best regards,
> David
>
>
>
>
> On 30.05.2016 10:56, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
>>
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>> contrast. Please try to make sure WCAG 2.0 is adhered to as strictly
>> as possible in order to ensure universal design that doesn't
>> discriminate against people with disabilities.
>>
>> Thanks to David for working on this!
>> - -- Alexander
>> alexander at plaimi.net
>> https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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