From skOre at skOre.de  Wed Jun  1 22:36:39 2016
From: skOre at skOre.de (David Deutsch)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 00:36:39 +0200
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
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Thanks, Gershom,

I've added another commit and everything is good to go from my end.

best regards,
David

On 31.05.2016 01:14, Gershom B wrote:
> David -- that sounds about right to me (in terms of people liking the
> broad strokes and raising issues that are important but don't need to
> be in scope for this initial phase).
>
> If you have anything else you want to do first, let me know, otherwise
> I'll go ahead and accept the pull and, barring any further discussion
> that stands in the way, redeploy sometime this week.
>
> We can then proceed in a lot of directions from there :-)
>
> Sound good all?
>
> Cheers,
> Gershom
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:04 PM, David Deutsch <skOre at skore.de> wrote:
>> Hi Alexander,
>>
>> Thank you for the kind words.
>>
>> I've checked the color contrast and it seems to range between 3.2 and 4.7
>> with a mean contrast at 4.0, which borders on problematic (the
>> recommendation is 4.5), but doesn't seem terribly inaccessible, especially
>> since it's only used on a handful of links and not the entire text.
>>
>> I will add this to my list of "along the way" improvements for a final run,
>> trying to bump the contrast ratio to a more steady 4.5+.
>>
>>
>> Since you appear to be keen on accessibility: If you have specific issues
>> that you would like to raise to and, preferably, advice on how to improve
>> them, I'm all ears. I'm pointing that out because "doesn't /look/
>> accessible" (my emphasis) doesn't give me that much to work with and I hope
>> it's obvious that following WCAG2.0 "as strictly as possible" is not
>> feasible for a volunteer.
>>
>> While I agree that accessibility is a very important aspect to pay attention
>> to, I would appreciate not getting too lost in details like this at this
>> stage in the process. The intent of my PR is to replace the current site
>> design, not iron out every possible issue with it (similar contrast concerns
>> are valid for the current site, for example the community section - that we
>> fixed... by removing it - goes as low as 2.3 in terms of contrast) and
>> certainly not attain a "universal design" (which, admittedly, I'm not sure I
>> fully understand the meaning of).
>>
>>
>> That being said, I appreciate that my PR apparently continues to foster a
>> level of bikeshedding (with occasional compliments thrown in) that seems to
>> suggest that there isn't much objection to it ;-) So - since my time is
>> limited, I hope we can move ahead with the PR some time soon and move the
>> more detailed analysis to followup tickets.
>>
>> best regards,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30.05.2016 10:56, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
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>>> Hash: SHA512
>>>
>>> The pink on purple doesn't look accessible. I.e. there is too low
>>> contrast. Please try to make sure WCAG 2.0 is adhered to as strictly
>>> as possible in order to ensure universal design that doesn't
>>> discriminate against people with disabilities.
>>>
>>> Thanks to David for working on this!
>>> - -- Alexander
>>> alexander at plaimi.net
>>> https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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From skOre at skOre.de  Fri Jun  3 08:29:26 2016
From: skOre at skOre.de (David Deutsch)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:29:26 +0200
Subject: [Haskell-community] Design Proposal for Haskell.org
In-Reply-To: <574F6377.5040309@skOre.de>
References: <etPan.5748b2fe.119281ee.aa54@gmail.com>
 <20160527212353.GA3858@casa.casa> <574C003B.6060401@plaimi.net>
 <574CB8FA.9000605@skOre.de>
 <CAM8RHpFvBMG3YsZRbq3JqYtnYrP0c6N2CryWq-naRp+WZ+3D7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <574F6377.5040309@skOre.de>
Message-ID: <57513FE6.3010203@skOre.de>

Replying to myself here - Since Gershom kindly went ahead with pushing 
the release live, I thought I'd open another issue on github concerning 
outstanding issues that the new design might have introduced: 
https://github.com/haskell-infra/hl/issues/165

I would prefer it if people could either post further 
findings/suggestions there or at least reference replies they've made 
here in a comment so I can keep track of them.

best regards,
David

On 02.06.2016 00:36, David Deutsch wrote:
> Thanks, Gershom,
>
> I've added another commit and everything is good to go from my end.
>
> best regards,
> David
>
> On 31.05.2016 01:14, Gershom B wrote:
>> David -- that sounds about right to me (in terms of people liking the
>> broad strokes and raising issues that are important but don't need to
>> be in scope for this initial phase).
>>
>> If you have anything else you want to do first, let me know, otherwise
>> I'll go ahead and accept the pull and, barring any further discussion
>> that stands in the way, redeploy sometime this week.
>>
>> We can then proceed in a lot of directions from there :-)
>>
>> Sound good all?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Gershom
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:04 PM, David Deutsch <skOre at skore.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Alexander,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the kind words.
>>>
>>> I've checked the color contrast and it seems to range between 3.2 
>>> and 4.7
>>> with a mean contrast at 4.0, which borders on problematic (the
>>> recommendation is 4.5), but doesn't seem terribly inaccessible, 
>>> especially
>>> since it's only used on a handful of links and not the entire text.
>>>
>>> I will add this to my list of "along the way" improvements for a 
>>> final run,
>>> trying to bump the contrast ratio to a more steady 4.5+.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you appear to be keen on accessibility: If you have specific 
>>> issues
>>> that you would like to raise to and, preferably, advice on how to 
>>> improve
>>> them, I'm all ears. I'm pointing that out because "doesn't /look/
>>> accessible" (my emphasis) doesn't give me that much to work with and 
>>> I hope
>>> it's obvious that following WCAG2.0 "as strictly as possible" is not
>>> feasible for a volunteer.
>>>
>>> While I agree that accessibility is a very important aspect to pay 
>>> attention
>>> to, I would appreciate not getting too lost in details like this at 
>>> this
>>> stage in the process. The intent of my PR is to replace the current 
>>> site
>>> design, not iron out every possible issue with it (similar contrast 
>>> concerns
>>> are valid for the current site, for example the community section - 
>>> that we
>>> fixed... by removing it - goes as low as 2.3 in terms of contrast) and
>>> certainly not attain a "universal design" (which, admittedly, I'm 
>>> not sure I
>>> fully understand the meaning of).
>>>
>>>
>>> That being said, I appreciate that my PR apparently continues to 
>>> foster a
>>> level of bikeshedding (with occasional compliments thrown in) that 
>>> seems to
>>> suggest that there isn't much objection to it ;-) So - since my time is
>>> limited, I hope we can move ahead with the PR some time soon and 
>>> move the
>>> more detailed analysis to followup tickets.
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30.05.2016 10:56, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA512
>>>>
>>>> The pink on purple doesn't look accessible. I.e. there is too low
>>>> contrast. Please try to make sure WCAG 2.0 is adhered to as strictly
>>>> as possible in order to ensure universal design that doesn't
>>>> discriminate against people with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to David for working on this!
>>>> - -- Alexander
>>>> alexander at plaimi.net
>>>> https://secure.plaimi.net/~alexander
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>>>> Version: GnuPG v2
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>>>> =vaUM
>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Haskell-community at haskell.org
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>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
> _______________________________________________
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> Haskell-community at haskell.org
> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community
>


From gershomb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 21:30:27 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Haskell-community] Test -- please disregard
Message-ID: <CAM8RHpG+nSbU7_EguM9EqxBNA0GKvZzmpQ_Psr_dyZzzSgFB4Q@mail.gmail.com>

We're checking if a mailman upgrade went smoothly.

--gershom

From gershomb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 21:42:56 2016
From: gershomb at gmail.com (Gershom B)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:42:56 -0400
Subject: [Haskell-community] Test -- please disregard
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And... another test to disregard.

Apologies for the noise.

--gershom

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Gershom B <gershomb at gmail.com> wrote:
> We're checking if a mailman upgrade went smoothly.
>
> --gershom