<div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">Thank you Ben
> I'd urge everyone to keep in mind that our Windows support exists almost
entirely due to the efforts of Tamar; we all owe Tamar a debt of
gratitude for all of the work he has done over the past years. We could
certainly use more people who are able and willing to contribute
resources to help improve GHC's Windows story.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">
I've tried and tried, to the point where I was clearly considered a nuisance.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">I've now given up. And GHC has just got worse since.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">I suggest Tamar downloads/installs Hugs [*], then provides (and documents)</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem"> something as easy as that. Wasn't there a GHC equivalent to WinHugs?</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">That is: something as easy for casual/recreational users/learners of Haskell,</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">not aimed at Microsoft afficianados.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">[*] Sadly, I apologise in advance for this: <div><a href="https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/hugs-bugs/2018-July/001914.html" target="_blank" style="font-size:1rem">https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/hugs-bugs/2018-July/001914.html</a></div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">
>><i style="font-family:-apple-system,HelveticaNeue;font-size:1rem"> Increasingly, GHC HQ is a cult/elite that doesn't want any new members.</i></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">
> To the contrary, we both want and need new contributors!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">Not my experience. I was told in polite but unambiguous terms to stop contributing.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">> I would ask anyone who feels that GHC development is exclusionary to please be in
touch; I am very interested to know how we can improve.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">I'd like to cite as evidence the survey results Francesco links to:</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">I don't think I ever got invited to contribute -- where would that have been?</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">There wasn't an invite on the Hugs-users list.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">Note I don't use Reddit because I'm not a brogrammer.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">The survey is kinda self-fulfilling: most people don't use GHC on Windows,</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">because it's too hard to install.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">GHC is exclusionary against casual/recreational Haskellers (who are more likely on Windows)</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">and those more interested in using it to explore PL Theory. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">This is the opposite of how it was when I first grew to love Haskell around a decade ago.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">Just look at the buzz on the cafe back then.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">AntC</div><div dir="auto">
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