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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Pedro,</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m the maintainer of those chocolatey packages.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>First, I have to subscribe to a newsletter? Really? I guess this is entirely optional, but the instructions don't make it sound so. </li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Step 1 is completely optional and you don’t have to subscribe to any news letter.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Then I have to know what powershell.exe is, use an administrative prompt, and enter scary commands in it.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Powershell has been the standard shell in Windows for well over the past decade. Every single script from Microsoft or third parties come with powershell for automation.</p><p class=MsoNormal>It’s understandable that you may not know it since your primary platform isn’t Windows. But it’s been included in every single Windows version for the past 13 years.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>An administrative prompt is nothing different than running sudo or clicking on that installer that you *<b>assumed</b>* not to be scary because you didn’t see the actions it was performing.</p><p class=MsoNormal>That scary looking command is nothing but a curl command allowing the one time execution of a script from a remote source. As in a script that’s not physically on your machine.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So what exactly makes this scary? Is it because</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Set-ExecutionPolicy Bypass -Scope Process -Force; [System.Net.ServicePointManager]::SecurityProtocol = [System.Net.ServicePointManager]::SecurityProtocol -bor 3072; iex ((New-Object System.Net.WebClient).DownloadString('<a href="https://chocolatey.org/install.ps1" target="_blank">https://chocolatey.org/install.ps1</a>'))<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is more verbose than<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><pre><code>curl -sSL https://path.to.some.script/ | sh</code></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>or because the technologies used while completely standard on Windows aren’t known to the casual user?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,</p><p class=MsoNormal>Tamar</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:dreixel@gmail.com">José Pedro Magalhães</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, April 25, 2020 04:24<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:haskell-cafe@haskell.org">haskell</a><br><b>Subject: </b>[Haskell-cafe] When did it become so hard to install Haskell onWindows?</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,</p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I haven't used Haskell in my personal computer in a while. I decided to install it again. I used the Haskell Platform in the past, so I went for that again - and a quick Google search on "install haskell windows" brings up the HP page, so I thought I was on the right track.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At the HP page for Windows, I'm greeted with this:</p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=451 height=542 style='width:4.6979in;height:5.6458in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image003.png@01D61AE8.0E9F3CE0"></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the past I'd just download an installer which would take care of things - now it seems to be more complicated. But fine, I followed the link to configure Chocolatey. That's where it starts getting really scary:</p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=562 height=559 style='width:5.8541in;height:5.8229in' id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image004.png@01D61AE8.0E9F3CE0"></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>First, I have to subscribe to a newsletter? Really? I guess this is entirely optional, but the instructions don't make it sound so. Then I have to know what powershell.exe is, use an administrative prompt, and enter scary commands in it.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I gave up at this stage. But going back to the HP page, it appears that even this wouldn't be enough, because I would still need to follow "the instructions at <a href="http://haskellstack.org">haskellstack.org</a> to install stack". The link to <a href="http://haskellstack.org">haskellstack.org</a> takes me to a <a href="https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/README/">403 Forbidden</a>.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I honestly don't want this to sound like a rant. I genuinely would like to understand why this multi-step, multi-tool, multi-website process was introduced, how it is superior to a single installer, and whether this is really the process we want newcomers to the language have to follow.</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,</p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>Pedro</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>