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    <p>This must be a recent development, because I installed Haskell
      using the "self-contained, all-in-one installer" only a month or
      two ago. The page on haskell.org still talks about this: "The
      Haskell Platform is a self-contained, all-in-one installer. After
      download, you will have everything necessary to build Haskell
      programs against a core set of useful libraries." (That really
      should be edited to reflect the current state of affairs.)</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-04-25 12:27 a.m., Richard
      O'Keefe wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">I ran into the same
          403 with HaskellStack.org,</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">but using the "Cached"
          link that Google offered,</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">the page that *should*
          be there has a link to a</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Windows 64-bit
          installer for stack, and stack is</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">currently installing
          ghc-8.8.3 for me, although it</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">warns that stack has
          not been tested with GHC</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">versions about 8.6.</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">The irony is that I
          ran stack.exe from an Ubuntu 18</div>
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          style="font-family:monospace,monospace">shell.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 at 15:24,
          José Pedro Magalhães <<a href="mailto:dreixel@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">dreixel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Hi,
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            <div>I haven't used Haskell in my personal computer in a
              while. I decided to install it again. I used the Haskell
              Platform in the past, so I went for that again - and a
              quick Google search on "install haskell windows" brings up
              the HP page, so I thought I was on the right track.</div>
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            <div>At the HP page for Windows, I'm greeted with this:</div>
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            <div>In the past I'd just download an installer which would
              take care of things - now it seems to be more complicated.
              But fine, I followed the link to configure Chocolatey.
              That's where it starts getting really scary:</div>
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            <div>First, I have to subscribe to a newsletter? Really? I
              guess this is entirely optional, but the instructions
              don't make it sound so. Then I have to know what
              powershell.exe is, use an administrative prompt, and enter
              scary commands in it.</div>
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            <div>I gave up at this stage. But going back to the HP page,
              it appears that even this wouldn't be enough, because I
              would still need to follow "the instructions at <a
                href="http://haskellstack.org" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">haskellstack.org</a> to install
              stack". The link to <a href="http://haskellstack.org"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">haskellstack.org</a>
              takes me to a <a
                href="https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/README/"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">403 Forbidden</a>.</div>
            <div><br>
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            <div>I honestly don't want this to sound like a rant. I
              genuinely would like to understand why this multi-step,
              multi-tool, multi-website process was introduced, how it
              is superior to a single installer, and whether this is
              really the process we want newcomers to the language have
              to follow.</div>
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            <div>Thanks,</div>
            <div>Pedro</div>
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