<div dir="ltr">I feel like the one theme that's been missing in all of this is the interaction between equational reasoning and rewrite rules. Examples of fusing operations on Text or ByteString were pretty impressive to me. The ideas may be incorporated into other languages, but I believe Haskell is pretty unique, at least versus mainstream languages, in doing the fusion in the optimizer where there's still opportunity for the results to be inlined and further optimized.<div><br></div><div>I don't have a complete example off the top of my head.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:31 PM Scott Fleischman <<a href="mailto:scott.fleischman@plowtech.net">scott.fleischman@plowtech.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">We make extensive use of Servant for our web services at Plow Technologies. It is my favorite example of the success of using types (even relatively fancy types) to help with a common problem (creating web sites with web services) and reduce boilerplate.<br><br>I like the examples in the <a href="https://haskell-servant.readthedocs.io/en/stable/tutorial/index.html" target="_blank">tutorial</a>.<div><br>Scott Fleischman<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:10 AM, Simon Peyton Jones via Haskell-Cafe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:haskell-cafe@haskell.org" target="_blank">haskell-cafe@haskell.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Friends<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In a few weeks I’m giving a talk to a bunch of genomics folk at the
<a href="https://www.sanger.ac.uk/" target="_blank">Sanger Institute</a> about Haskell. They do lots of programming, but they aren’t computer scientists.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can tell them plenty about Haskell, but I’m ill-equipped to answer the main question in their minds:
<i>why should I even care about Haskell</i>? I’m too much of a biased witness.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So I thought I’d ask you for help. War stories perhaps – how using Haskell worked (or didn’t) for you. But rather than talk generalities, I’d love to illustrate with copious examples of beautiful
code. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="m_-4491060727600212967m_1230852251044626568MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Can you identify a few lines of Haskell that best characterise what you think makes Haskell distinctively worth caring about? Something
that gave you an “aha” moment, or that feeling of joy when you truly make sense of something for the first time.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The challenge is, of course, that this audience will know no Haskell, so muttering about Cartesian Closed Categories isn’t going to do it for them. I need examples that I can present in 5
minutes, without needing a long setup.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To take a very basic example, consider Quicksort using list comprehensions, compared with its equivalent in C. It’s so short, so obviously right, whereas doing the right thing with in-place
update in C notoriously prone to fencepost errors etc. But it also makes much less good use of memory, and is likely to run slower. I think I can do that in 5 minutes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Another thing that I think comes over easily is the ability to abstract: generalising sum and product to fold by abstracting out a functional argument; generalising at the type level by polymorphism,
including polymorphism over higher-kinded type constructors. Maybe 8 minutes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But you will have more and better ideas, and (crucially) ideas that are more credibly grounded in the day to day reality of writing programs that get work done.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Pointers to your favourite blog posts would be another avenue. (I love the Haskell Weekly News.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Finally, I know that some of you use Haskell specifically for genomics work, and maybe some of your insights would be particularly relevant for the Sanger audience.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you! Perhaps your responses on this thread (if any) may be helpful to more than just me.<span class="m_-4491060727600212967HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="m_-4491060727600212967HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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