<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Ah Yes… I do now remember the “Race for the 5th Generation”, us against Japan. Lisp against Prolog. That was a fad? Maybe in academic circles and the deep bowels of a handful of defense contractors. Meanwhile the rest of us were busily attaching chains of AP Array Processors on the back of VAX machines. Fortran still ruled the day. Nicholas Wirth had just invented Modula-2 to replace Pascal, as bleeding edge compiler technology. Wow, what memories you sparked...<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- DM</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 19, 2017, at 06:08, David McClain <<a href="mailto:dbm@refined-audiometrics.com" class="">dbm@refined-audiometrics.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Around that time, I only first heard about commercial Lisp systems from Franz (VAX), HP (their own minicomputers), and Symbolics. It was around 1988 when I first saw a Lisp Machine, at a defense contractor (SAIC), after they showed me how defense spending under Pres. Reagan was in the exponential knee of increase. But the fad seemed to be hugely focused on VAX/VMS, not Lisp.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Over in the commercial realm, the fad seemed to be with TRS-80, Atari, Mac (?), definitely IBM/PC’s, Pascal, then Object Pascal. Even C wasn’t getting much traction, and C++ was just a gleam in the envious C community’s eyes - largely a preprocessor of some sort. Smalltalk was a fascinating curiosity, and only tinkerers were playing with it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- DM</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 19, 2017, at 05:56, David McClain <<a href="mailto:dbm@refined-audiometrics.com" class="">dbm@refined-audiometrics.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 19, 2017, at 05:42, Joachim Durchholz <<a href="mailto:jo@durchholz.org" class="">jo@durchholz.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Yeah, I was assuming that macros are global.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">It's very old Lisp experience from the days when Common Lisp and Scheme were new fads, when Lisp machines were still a thing, and had to be rebooted on a daily basis to keep them running.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">Was Lisp ever a fad? I’m shocked to hear that. Seriously!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I only got into Lisp after several years of mild nagging by one of my former employees, who studied Lisp and Proof Systems for his graduate CS Degree from U.Oregon, sometime back in the early 80’s, late 70’s. Turns out everything he said was true, and more.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- DM</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Haskell-Cafe mailing list<br class="">To (un)subscribe, modify options or view archives go to:<br class=""><a href="http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe" class="">http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe</a><br class="">Only members subscribed via the mailman list are allowed to post.</div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Haskell-Cafe mailing list<br class="">To (un)subscribe, modify options or view archives go to:<br class=""><a href="http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe" class="">http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe</a><br class="">Only members subscribed via the mailman list are allowed to post.</div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>