<div dir="ltr">Thanks to the thread for taking the time to suss out a bogus job advertisement. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Ian Ross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian@skybluetrades.net" target="_blank">ian@skybluetrades.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It doesn't appear to be a Haskell job. The job announcement on their website is here: <a href="https://voleon.simplicant.com/jobs/18439/detail" target="_blank">https://voleon.simplicant.com/jobs/18439/detail</a> -- they only add the line about "strong experience developing in a functional programming environment (Haskell, Erlang, others)" when they're spamming Erlang and Haskell mailing lists. If it's not a Haskell job, it doesn't belong here. Unless people want to open the list up to everyone who thinks they have an "interesting" job, of course.<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 November 2015 at 23:08, Christopher Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cma@bitemyapp.com" target="_blank">cma@bitemyapp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes I noted you have contributors to the community working for you in an earlier email, the question is whether the job will involve using Haskell or not. Does the position entail using Haskell? If yes, what percentage of the work approximately will be in Haskell? If no, are there any plans to start evaluating Haskell internally? If there are such plans, will this position likely involve being a part of that?<div><span><br>>We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime.<br><br></span>Does the company allocate them time to work on open source? If so, how much and how often? For example, Guido van Rossum had arrangements in the past where his time was split 50/50 between managing Python and company projects. Does Voleon sponsor Haskell.org or any open source projects in Haskell? Summer of code? Is the position for a team where there are other Haskellers?</div><div><div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Charles Weitzer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:charles@voleon.com" target="_blank">charles@voleon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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onsite. We have one of the top contributors to the Haskell language onsite working for us fulltime. Please stop guessing about our motives. We are one of the top machine learning groups in the world. We need great people, both researchers and programmers,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Voleon Capital Management LP is a quantitative hedge fund located in Berkeley, California. We would like to hire a senior software
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">* Senior Software Engineer *</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Technology-driven investment firm employing cutting-edge statistical machine learning techniques seeks an exceptionally capable software engineer.
You will architect and implement new production trading systems, machine learning infrastructure, data integration pipelines, and large-scale storage systems.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">The firm researches and deploys systematic trading strategies designed to generate attractive returns without being dependent on
the performance of the overall market. Join a team of under 30 people that includes a Berkeley statistics professor as well as over ten PhD's from Berkeley, Chicago, CMU, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, and UCLA, led by the founder and CEO of a successful Internet
infrastructure technology firm. The firm’s offices are walking distance from BART and the UC Berkeley campus in downtown Berkeley, California. We have a casual and collegial office environment, catered lunches, and competitive benefits packages.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">We seek candidates with a proven track record of writing correct, well-designed software, solving hard problems, and delivering complex projects
on time. You should preferably have experience designing and implementing fault-tolerant distributed systems. Experience with building large-scale data infrastructure, stream processing systems, or latency-sensitive programs is a bonus.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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- working with common Internet protocols (IP, TCP/UDP, SSL/TLS, HTTP, SNMP, etc.).<br>
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- architecting and designing large-scale data management infrastructure.<br>
- working in large codebases and building modular, manageable code.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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- working with well-defined change management processes.<br>
- diagnosing RDBMS performance problems, exploiting indexing, using EXPLAIN PLAN, optimizing at the code layer, etc.<br>
- working with messaging queues (RabbitMQ, Redis, etc.) as well as distributed caching systems.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Interest in financial applications is essential, but experience in finance is not a primary factor in our hiring.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">Benefits and compensation are highly competitive.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">The above job description is just a starting point in terms of possible duties and seniority. We can be very flexible for the right person.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">If you are interested please apply on our website:
<a href="http://voleon.com/apply/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">http://voleon.com/apply/</span></a>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif">If you have any questions or if you know of anyone who might be interested, let us know the best way to get in touch and we can discuss
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