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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m in support here. I’ve commented on the discussion thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> ghc-steering-committee <ghc-steering-committee-bounces@haskell.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Marlow<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 December 2019 10:06<br>
<b>To:</b> Joachim Breitner <mail@joachim-breitner.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ghc-steering-committee@haskell.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [ghc-steering-committee] #265: Unlifted Datatypes, recommendation: accept<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I recommend that we <b><i>accept</i></b> proposal #265 (Unlifted Datatypes)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fghc-proposals%2Fghc-proposals%2Fpull%2F265&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Cbebbb53672104f8804a408d7770f544a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637108780029253857&sdata=aEWC0cJAxCRJ973miRTP%2F6JtGVp%2F4FG6qqmKjjfKywE%3D&reserved=0">https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/265</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fsgraf812%2Fghc-proposals%2Fblob%2Funlifted-data%2Fproposals%2F0000-unlifted-datatypes.rst&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Cbebbb53672104f8804a408d7770f544a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637108780029263813&sdata=JCfBIUeVfDO0f6CElwzpmPY9xyYj7pp%2FoojID59kkCo%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://github.com/sgraf812/ghc-proposals/blob/unlifted-data/proposals/0000-unlifted-datatypes.rst</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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It's a fairly conservative extension: the kind <span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
TYPE 'UnliftedRep</span> already exists with the required functionality, the only addition here is to allow user-defined types to be declared with that kind. The semantics are clear, and there already exists a prototype patch to implement it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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There are considerable performance benefits to be had for performance-critical code, for instance the containers package.<o:p></o:p></p>
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A couple of minor issues remain:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Without special support, the type <span style="font-family:"Courier New"">data unlifted Strict a = Force !a</span> comes with an associated box, so this type isn't as useful as it could be.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
It isn't possible to define values of kind <span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
TYPE 'UnlifedRep</span> at the top level, which might be a surprising restriction to the programmer. (However, there's a reasonable workaround). Relatedly, GHC cannot lift expressions of kind
<span style="font-family:"Courier New"">TYPE 'UnlifedRep</span> to the top level in the optimiser, which can lead to surprising performance behaviour. See
<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc%2Fissues%2F17521&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Cbebbb53672104f8804a408d7770f544a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637108780029263813&sdata=dgDbIe9AhhI%2FIsnPDPxX7EAoVVkjaKthu%2FNGcyEBOTU%3D&reserved=0">
https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/17521</a><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nevertheless, we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and Unlifted Datatypes is a clearly useful addition in my view.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 10:06, Joachim Breitner <<a href="mailto:mail@joachim-breitner.de">mail@joachim-breitner.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Committee,<br>
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this is your secretary speaking:<br>
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Unlifed Datatypes<br>
has been proposed by Sebastian Graf<br>
<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fghc-proposals%2Fghc-proposals%2Fpull%2F265&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Cbebbb53672104f8804a408d7770f544a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637108780029263813&sdata=sbtvm3eM43ihY%2FPoTeS4Sp%2BDE2AJUBSqgGOv6HymoKg%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/265</a><br>
<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fsgraf812%2Fghc-proposals%2Fblob%2Funlifted-data%2Fproposals%2F0000-unlifted-datatypes.rst&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Cbebbb53672104f8804a408d7770f544a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637108780029273768&sdata=PeFWonpeS4vYeanypRBMEWgLFy9CgVeue3OhHrZa7aM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://github.com/sgraf812/ghc-proposals/blob/unlifted-data/proposals/0000-unlifted-datatypes.rst</a><br>
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I propose Simon Marlow as the shepherd, as the expert on low-level stuff.<br>
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Please reach consensus as described in<br>
<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fghc-proposals%2Fghc-proposals%23committee-process&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Cbebbb53672104f8804a408d7770f544a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637108780029273768&sdata=9V5KT%2F6kDmUNU5xMMKByR4egiSf61TMdq6yoHMviGcg%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals#committee-process</a><br>
I suggest you make a recommendation, in a new e-mail thread with the<br>
proposal number in the subject, about the decision, maybe point out<br>
debatable points, and assume that anyone who stays quiet agrees with<br>
you.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Joachim<br>
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Joachim Breitner<br>
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