<div dir="ltr">AB > B > A > 0<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 23:54, Eric Seidel <<a href="mailto:eric@seidel.io">eric@seidel.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">AB > B > A > 0<br>
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On Wed, May 1, 2019, at 16:13, Christopher Allen wrote:<br>
> AB > B > A > 0<br>
> <br>
> I don't believe we should do nothing when someone has protested in good faith.<br>
> <br>
> I don't think GitHub discussion alone properly addresses their<br>
> concerns and objections as well as the "B" option, but the best option<br>
> overall seems to be AB to my mind. Transparency + responsiveness.<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 2:41 PM Simon Peyton Jones via<br>
> ghc-steering-committee <<a href="mailto:ghc-steering-committee@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-steering-committee@haskell.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > AB > B > A > 0<br>
> ><br>
> > Simon<br>
> ><br>
> > | -----Original Message-----<br>
> > | From: ghc-steering-committee <<a href="mailto:ghc-steering-committee-bounces@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-steering-committee-bounces@haskell.org</a>><br>
> > | On Behalf Of Joachim Breitner<br>
> > | Sent: 01 May 2019 19:51<br>
> > | To: ghc-steering-committee <<a href="mailto:ghc-steering-committee@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-steering-committee@haskell.org</a>><br>
> > | Subject: [ghc-steering-committee] Procedural change vote<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Dear committee,<br>
> > |<br>
> > | quick recap: one of our valued proposal writers, Matthew, expressed<br>
> > | unhappiness about our discussion proposal, with two important (but not the<br>
> > | only complains) issues the inability to react to a looming rejection, and<br>
> > | general bad insight into the discussion. Based on that feedback (thanks<br>
> > | again, Matt!) we discussed various options. Discussion has ebbed down, and<br>
> > | because it affects our policies, I’d like to hold a formal vote.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | There are three possible changes to consider, plus the option of doing<br>
> > | nothing. The options are<br>
> > |<br>
> > | A. All discussion on GitHub.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Our process essentially stays the same, but all discussion happens<br>
> > | on GitHub. The mailing list is used only for status messages (new<br>
> > | proposal, new recommendation, result, regular summary messages).<br>
> > | During the deliberation phase, we will ask bystanders (non-members,<br>
> > | non-authors) to refrain from making the discussion noisy.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Pros: Best visibility. Easy to get feedback from authors. No<br>
> > | fragmented discussion places.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Cons: Less separation of discussion, less of a “protected space” for<br>
> > | us”, possibly more noise, can’t technically enforce that nobody else<br>
> > | comments<br>
> > |<br>
> > | B. Shepherd discussion looming rejection with the authors first.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | This keeps the discussion on the mailing list, but the shepherd,<br>
> > | before recommending to reject a proposal, needs to _first_ lay out<br>
> > | their reasons on GitHub, wait for the authors to rebut, and possibly<br>
> > | discusses with them.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | I spelled out possible wording of this already on<br>
> > | <a href="https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/221" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/221</a><br>
> > |<br>
> > | Pros: Authors are taken more serious, have a say, while keeping our<br>
> > | discussion separate<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Cons: More work for shepherd. Incentives are set to lean towards<br>
> > | just recommending acceptance. Authors don't get to rebut if shepherd<br>
> > | wants to accept, but then the committee leans towards rejection.<br>
> > |<br>
> > | AB. The combination of the two above<br>
> > |<br>
> > | I.e. author rebuttal before shepherd recommends rejection<br>
> > | but then _also_ the committee discussion on GitHub<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Also spelled out already on<br>
> > | <a href="https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/225" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/225</a><br>
> > |<br>
> > | 0. Do nothing.<br>
> > |<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Please vote by responding to this thread with a linear ordering of your<br>
> > | preferences. For example, my vote is<br>
> > |<br>
> > | AB > B > A > 0<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Please cast a vote until Sunday May 5th. You can change your vote any time<br>
> > | until voting is concluded. Voting will be concluded when no votes have<br>
> > | been cast, but not before Sunday May 5th. We will accept the option that<br>
> > | is preferred over any other option by a majority of the votes.<br>
> > |<br>
> > |<br>
> > | Cheers,<br>
> > | Joachim<br>
> > |<br>
> > | --<br>
> > | Joachim Breitner<br>
> > | <a href="mailto:mail@joachim-breitner.de" target="_blank">mail@joachim-breitner.de</a><br>
> > | <a href="http://www.joachim-breitner.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.joachim-breitner.de/</a><br>
> ><br>
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