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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I don’t really understand how my question fits into the ‘bug report’ bucket. The quoted passage is not from the user manual, but rather, from a GHC
Note<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Only that GHC is doing something that you think is wrong – or at least not as documented. If so, that’s a bug. If not, the conversation is illuminating, and more easily rediscovered
later in the bug tracker.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am not interested in end-to-end behaviour, but what actually happens GHC phase by GHC phase. When is the reference to `fromString` introduced, when
is it resolved (by default to `Data.String.fromString`), does `RebindableSyntax` allo me to replace not just `fromString`, but also `unpackCString#`?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m happy to help – but can I ask that when you think you understand, can you submit a patch that clarifies the relevant Note(s), or adds one, so that the Gergos of the future will find the answer laid out right where you tried to find
it?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In GHC.Rename.Pat<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="Code">rnOverLit origLit<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> = do { opt_NumDecimals <- xoptM LangExt.NumDecimals<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> ; let { lit@(OverLit {ol_val=val})<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> | opt_NumDecimals = origLit {ol_val = generalizeOverLitVal (ol_val origLit)}<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> | otherwise = origLit<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> }<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> ; let std_name = hsOverLitName val<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> ; (from_thing_name, fvs1) <- lookupSyntaxName std_name<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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hsOverLitName returns Data.String.fromString for string literals. That is where fromString first appears.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Then lookupSyntaxName just returns Data.String.fromString when RebindableSyntax is off; or looks up “fromString” when RebindableSyntax is on.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When I say “Data.String.fromString” here, I mean the <b>original</b> name i.e. the fromString defined in Data.String – not some possibly different entity that happens to be in scope with the qualified name “Data.String.fromString”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does that help? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Erdi, Gergo <Gergo.Erdi@sc.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 July 2021 09:21<br>
<b>To:</b> Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'GHC' <ghc-devs@haskell.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Using overloaded syntax to avoid `base` dependency (RE: Marking ParsedModule fragments as non-user-originating)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I don’t really understand how my question fits into the ‘bug report’ bucket. The quoted passage is not from the user manual, but rather, from a GHC Note. My reading of that note
was that if I write a string literal in a Haskell program, and compile it with OverloadedStrings, it would parse into `HsLit _ (HsString _ fs)` with `HsOverLit _ (OverLit _ (HsIsString _ fs) “Data.String.fromString”`, and then the renamer and the type checker
would work from that. If this understanding were correct, then I could generate parsed (and not yet renamed/typechecked) code that is, instead, `HsOverLit _ (OverLit _ (HsIsString _ fs) “myStringLitUnpackerFunction”`, and there would be no `fromString` dependency.
Yet, that’s not what seems to happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Can you (or anyone else) go into more detail about how rebindable syntax resolution and OverloadedStrings interacts in this particular case? I am not interested in end-to-end
behaviour, but what actually happens GHC phase by GHC phase. When is the reference to `fromString` introduced, when is it resolved (by default to `Data.String.fromString`), does `RebindableSyntax` allo me to replace not just `fromString`, but also `unpackCString#`?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 12, 2021 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Erdi, Gergo <<a href="mailto:Gergo.Erdi@sc.com">Gergo.Erdi@sc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'GHC' <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] RE: Using overloaded syntax to avoid `base` dependency (RE: Marking ParsedModule fragments as non-user-originating)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gergo,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you think you have uncovered a bug, could you submit a bug report on the issue tracker, with a way to reproduce it? It’s a bit hard to decode exactly what is happening from what you say.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The user manual documentation doesn’t say this in so many words (that’s a bug), but with OverloadedStrings, the literal
<b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">“foo”</span></b> is replaced by <b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Data.String.fromString “foo”<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Guessing a bit, that is probably why GHC complains that it can’t load Data.String.fromString.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If <b><i>in addition</i></b> you want to use your own fromString, not the built-in one, then you need to add RebindableSyntax.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Erdi, Gergo <<a href="mailto:Gergo.Erdi@sc.com">Gergo.Erdi@sc.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 July 2021 08:13<br>
<b>To:</b> Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'GHC' <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Using overloaded syntax to avoid `base` dependency (RE: Marking ParsedModule fragments as non-user-originating)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">OK so I tried out OverloadedStrings and it basically went as bad as I expected. The documentation on `HsOverLit` is very promising: it points to the Note [Overloaded literal
witnesses], which states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Note [Overloaded literal witnesses]<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">*Before* type checking, the HsExpr in an HsOverLit is the<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">name of the coercion function, 'fromInteger' or 'fromRational'.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So that sounds great, right? It sounds like just before renaming, I should be able to replace `HsLit _ (HsString _ fs)` with `HsOverLit _ (OverLit _ (HsIsString _ fs) unpack`
with my own `unpack` function coming from my own package, and everything would work out. Unfortunately, this is not what happens: if I try getting this through the renamer, I get this error:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Failed to load interface for ‘Data.String’<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">no unit id matching ‘base’ was found<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Can't find interface-file declaration for variable fromString<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Probable cause: bug in .hi-boot file, or inconsistent .hi file<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Console";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> Use -ddump-if-trace to get an idea of which file caused the error</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So even though I am specifying my own coercion function, it is still looking for `Data.String.fromString` which is not going to work, since I don’t have `base`. So either I am
misunderstanding that Note, or it is simply out of date, but in either case, this isn’t going to be a viable route to going base-less.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Gergo
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GHC <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Marking ParsedModule fragments as non-user-originating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks Simon!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Of course, you’re right, it’s the renamer, not the typechecker – I didn’t really check, just saw that “it happens during `typecheckModule`.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I’ll look at the rebindable syntax stuff in detail, but at least for OverloadedStrings, I already know that the problem will be that ultimately they do go through the `String`
type from `base`, and I need to use GHC baselessly. This is a problem for two reasons:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I can’t implement `IsString` for `MyString`, because `IsString` is in `base`<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Even if I made my own fake `base` with a fake `IsString` class, there is nothing to put in the codomain of `fromString`: I *<b>only</b>* have `MyString`, not `String`. And renaming `MyString to `String`
in my fake `base` is not going to cut it, since `String` is wired into GHC to be a type synonym for `[Char]` (which `MyString` is not).<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I foresee similar problems for OverloadedLists :/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Gergo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 6, 2021 5:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Erdi, Gergo <<a href="mailto:Gergo.Erdi@sc.com">Gergo.Erdi@sc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> GHC <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [External] RE: Marking ParsedModule fragments as non-user-originating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The typechecker now complains that the `ViewPatterns` language extension is not turned on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I think it’s the renamer:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="Code">rnPatAndThen mk p@(ViewPat _ expr pat)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> = do { liftCps $ do { vp_flag <- xoptM LangExt.ViewPatterns<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Code"> ; checkErr vp_flag (badViewPat p) }<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">More generally, don’t you just want OverloadedStrings or OverloadedLists?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You might want to read Note [Handling overloaded and rebindable constructs] in GHC.Rename.Expr, and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Note [Rebindable syntax and HsExpansion] in GCH.Hs.Expr. These Notes describe how GHC already does something similar to what you want. Maybe you can use the same mechanism in your plugin.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 06 July 2021 09:08<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Marking ParsedModule fragments as non-user-originating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I’d like to hijack some syntax (like string literals or list patterns) for my own use, and I thought a low-tech way of doing that is to transform the ParsedModule before typechecking.
For example, if I have a function `uncons :: Array a -> Maybe (a, Array a)`, I can rewrite the pattern `[x1, x2, x3]` into the view pattern `(uncons -> Just (x1, (uncons -> Just (x2, (uncons –> Just (x3, (uncons -> Nothing)))))))` and let the normal GHC type
checker take over from here. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This is working for me so far, except for one problem: the typechecker now complains that the `ViewPatterns` language extension is not turned on. I would like to make the view
patterns coming from my ParsedModule rewriter to be exempt from this check (but of course still require the `ViewPatterns` extension for user-originating code). Is there a way to do that? Or would I be better off checking for user-originating view patterns
myself before the rewrite and then changing the `DynFlags` to always enable view patterns for typechecking?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Gergo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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