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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">GHC precisely use “the rapier”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Christiaan Baaij <christiaan.baaij@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 02 July 2021 15:38<br>
<b>To:</b> Simon Peyton Jones <simonpj@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Richard Eisenberg <lists@richarde.dev>; Young, Jeff <jeff.young@tweag.io>; ghc-devs@haskell.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Trying to speedup GHC compile times...Help!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Somewhat off-topic: does GHC no longer use "the rapier"? I thought the InScopeSet was needed to check that we can safely skip on extending the substitution as you go under binders when the binder is not in the InScopeSet (naively you would always have to rename
binders, and thus extend the substitution, in order to avoid capture as you go under binders). i.e. the IntMap is not just used to generate new variable names, but to ensure the compiler does less work in the form of doing fewer substitutions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 16:12, Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There are lot of places where it would be pretty tiresome to plumb a unique supply guaranteed unique from every other. I think the current setup works pretty well – but I bet
we can squeeze cycles out of its implementation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Richard Eisenberg <<a href="mailto:lists@richarde.dev" target="_blank">lists@richarde.dev</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 02 July 2021 14:26<br>
<b>To:</b> Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com" target="_blank">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Young, Jeff <<a href="mailto:jeff.young@tweag.io" target="_blank">jeff.young@tweag.io</a>>;
<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Trying to speedup GHC compile times...Help!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">One piece I'm curious about, reading this thread: why do we have so many IntMaps and operations on them? Name lookup is a fundamental operation a compiler must do, and that would
use an IntMap: good. But maybe there are other IntMaps used that are less necessary. A key example: whenever we do substitution, we track an InScopeSet, which is really just an IntMap. This InScopeSet remembers the name of all variables in scope, useful when
we need to create a new variable name (this is done by uniqAway). Yet perhaps the tracking of these in-scope variables is very expensive and comprises much of the IntMap time. Might it be better just to always work in a monad capable of giving fresh names?
We actually don't even need a monad, if that's too annoying. Instead, we could just pass around an infinite list of fresh uniques. This would still be clutterful, but if it grants us a big speed improvement, the clutter might be worth it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The high-level piece here is that there may be good things that come from understanding where these IntMaps arise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:08 AM, Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Great stuff! Welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I strongly urge you to keep a constantly-update status wiki page, which lists the ideas you are working on, and points to relevant resources and tickets. An email thread like this
is a good way to gather ideas, but NOT a good way to organise and track them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Looking carefully at profiles is a good plan. That’s the hard data!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think that some careful investigation of IntMap (at least the bits that GHC uses heavily) would be a good idea. Clearly we spend a lot of time in these maps, so speedups here
will yield a lot of benefit. Look at the heavy hitters from the profile, stare at the Core code and see if it’s s good as it can be.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For example, Sebastian discovered a strange infelicity in IntMap.lookup, which I’ve documented in a new ticket<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc%2F-%2Fissues%2F20069&data=04%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C022a3006cf304fea267f08d93d6712f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637608335192973373%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Thx5296%2FvxiRQrtN7G68Vy9D105bp7xfYgO%2FHyZYwmo%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/20069</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think it’d also be worth measuring how unbalanced our IntMap trees get. See<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc%2F-%2Fissues%2F19820&data=04%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C022a3006cf304fea267f08d93d6712f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637608335192983371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LIFyRfRa9AYd97hLxVcJw6RWcB1vU8Nsb%2BPq3JohonM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/19820</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The speculation there is that we are getting very unbalanced trees. So measure it! If it’s true, we could improve matters by using a different IntMap; or maybe by scrambling the
key a bit --- see the ticket.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org</a>><span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Young, Jeff<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span>02 July 2021 02:36<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" target="_blank">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span>Trying to speedup GHC compile times...Help!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt">I'm a long-time Haskeller but am just getting into GHC development. I started a 12 week internship at Tweag I/O under Richard Eisenberg this week with the singular goal to speedup GHC
compile times. I'm specifically looking to contribute to ghc issues<span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc%2F-%2Fissues%2F18541&data=04%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C022a3006cf304fea267f08d93d6712f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637608335192983371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=TBT%2F%2BBb4xnOYSFyajr2sIVyOoELu6cm1bj7CIJvYfdk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">18541</a>and<span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc%2F-%2Fissues%2F18535&data=04%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C022a3006cf304fea267f08d93d6712f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637608335192993371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=V%2F82%2FhpIKdezt2lq82DcFMPHttjuIkWSnml6LxANdsM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">18535</a>.
So I thought I would reach out to the community to get some direction on issues/features/problems to tackle in the pursuit of faster compilation times. This is a full time internship and so I think there is a real opportunity to nail down a deliverable for
the community, but I want to get some guidance from the experts (you fine people!) before going down a rabbit hole.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt"> 1. It would be great if we had <thing-here> but no one has time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt">Point 2 is a specific reference to<span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc%2F-%2Fmerge_requests%2F3571&data=04%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C022a3006cf304fea267f08d93d6712f3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637608335193003358%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=hLw9i9pEAwE6XB3HXDLrCmvvnu%2B9mRgzPWg1g1CbED4%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">MR
3571</a><span class="gmail-m1796974582560447199apple-converted-space"> </span>but I'm unsure of the status and etiquette around MRs, and I'm unsure exactly how fulfilling the todos at the end of that MR would aid in faster compilation times (and if there is
evidence to that effect somewhere).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:6.0pt">Thanks for the help!<o:p></o:p></p>
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