<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 21, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Ben Gamari <<a href="mailto:ben@well-typed.com" class="">ben@well-typed.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">To mitigate this I would suggest that we allow performance test failures</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">in marge-bot pipelines. A slightly weaker variant of this idea would</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">instead only allow performance *improvements*. I suspect the latter</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">would get most of the benefit, while eliminating the possibility that a</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">large regression goes unnoticed.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">The value in making performance improvements a test failure is so that patch authors can be informed of what they have done, to make sure it matches expectations. This need can reasonably be satisfied without stopping merging. That is, if Marge can accept performance improvements, while (say) posting to each MR involved that it may have contributed to a performance improvement, then I think we've done our job here.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On the other hand, a performance degradation is a bug, just like, say, an error message regression. Even if it's a combination of commits that cause the problem (an actual possibility even for error message regressions), it's still a bug that we need to either fix or accept (balanced out by other improvements). The pain of debugging this scenario might be mitigated if there were a collation of the performance wibbles for each individual commit. This information is, in general, available: each commit passed CI on its own, and so it should be possible to create a little report with its rows being perf tests and its columns being commits or MR #s; each cell in the table would be a percentage regression. If we're lucky, the regression Marge sees will be the sum(*) of the entries in one of the rows -- this means that we have a simple agglomeration of performance degradation. If we're less lucky, the whole will not equal the sum of the parts, and some of the patches interfere. In either case, the table would suggest a likely place to look next.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(*) I suppose if we're recording percentages, it wouldn't necessarily be the actual sum, because percentages are a bit funny. But you get my meaning.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Pulling this all together:</div><div class="">* I'm against the initial proposal of allowing all performance failures by Marge. This will allow bugs to accumulate (in my opinion).</div><div class="">* I'm in favor of allowing performance improvements to be accepted by Marge.</div><div class="">* To mitigate against the information loss of Marge accepting performance improvements, it would be great if Marge could alert MR authors that a cumulative performance improvement took place.</div><div class="">* To mitigate against the annoyance of finding a performance regression in a merge commit that does not appear in any component commit, it would be great if there were a tool to collect performance numbers from a set of commits and present them in a table for further analysis.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These "mitigations" might take work. If labor is impossible to produce to complete this work, I'm in favor of simply allowing the performance improvements, maybe also filing a ticket about these potential improvements to the process.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Richard</div></body></html>