<div dir="auto"><div>I don't know your terminology, sorry. By "null" I'm referring to something distinguished, of which there can be more than one. These can be pointers to statically allocated objects if necessary, though pointers in an unused address range would probably be nicer. My goal is to be able to shove a compact representation of something like (# (##) | (##) | (##) | a #) into an array/MutVar/etc., rather than needing to box it to do so.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 7:45 AM Spiwack, Arnaud <<a href="mailto:arnaud.spiwack@tweag.io">arnaud.spiwack@tweag.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I may have misunderstood, but my understanding is the following:<br></div><div><br></div><div>- Since a is a boxed type, it can never be the null pointer</div><div>- So I can use a null pointer unambiguously</div><div><br></div><div>Let's call this null-pointer expanded type, `Nullable# a`, it is now a different sort than `a`, since it can have the null pointer in it. Is that still what you wish for? The risk being that combining such a `Nullable# a` with another data structure may very well require an additional boxing, which is what, I believe, you were trying to avoid.<br></div><div><br></div><div>/Arnaud<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 11:47 PM David Feuer <<a href="mailto:david.feuer@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">david.feuer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Null pointers are widely known to be a lousy language feature in general, but there are certain situations where they're *really* useful for compact representation. For example, we define<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"> newtype TMVar a = TMVar (TVar (Maybe a))</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We don't, however, actually use the fact that (Maybe a) is lifted. So we could represent this much more efficiently using something like</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"> newtype TMVar a = TMVar (TVar a)</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">where Nothing is represented by a distinguished "null" pointer.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">While it's possible to implement this sort of thing in user code (with lots of fuss and care), it's not very nice at all. What I'd really like to be able to do is represent certain kinds of sums like this natively.</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">Now that we're getting BoxedRep, I think we can probably make it happen. The trick is to add a special Levity constructor representing sums of particular shapes. Specifically, we can represent a type like this if it is a possibly-nested sum which, when flattened into a single sum, consists of some number of nullary tuples and at most one Lifted or Unlifted type. Then we can have (inline) primops to convert between the BoxedRep and the sum-of-sums representations.</font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="sans-serif">Anyone have thoughts on details for what the Levity constructor arguments might look like?</font></div></div>
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