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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just to amplify: we are very interested to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Get some idea of
<b>whether anyone  cares about impredicativity</b>.  If we added it to GHC, would you use it?  Have you ever bumped up Haskell’s inability to instantiate a polymorphic function at a polytype.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Get some idea of
<b>whether the particular form of impredicativity described in the paper would be expressive enough</b> for your application.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> ghc-devs <ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alejandro Serrano Mena<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 June 2019 13:12<br>
<b>To:</b> ghc-devs@haskell.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Guarded Impredicativity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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We are trying to bring back `ImpredicativeTypes` into GHC by using the ideas in the "Guarded Impredicative Polymorphism" paper [<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fresearch%2Fpublication%2Fguarded-impredicative-polymorphism%2F&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Ca2d42d6134644b3d128a08d6fbc1e36d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636973207496244478&sdata=o8H3dd5tLDRCGpwzsq6BMwNwYepPQgmoKsrXtLbJQdk%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/guarded-impredicative-polymorphism/</a>].<o:p></o:p></p>
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For now I have produced a first attempt, which lives in <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Ftrupill%2Fghc&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Ca2d42d6134644b3d128a08d6fbc1e36d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636973207496244478&sdata=TGegIFjwdjJ7XPdmlVNY3wve385FalfVLaW1YLCiXlM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
https://gitlab.haskell.org/trupill/ghc</a>. It would be great if those interested in impredicative polymorphism could give it a try and see whether it works as expected or not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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The main idea behing "guarded impredicativity" is that you can infer an impredicative instantiation for a type variable in a function call if you have at least one given argument where that type variable appears under a type constructor different from (->).<o:p></o:p></p>
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For example, consider the call `(\x -> x) : ids`, where `ids :: [forall a. a -> a]`. Since in the type of `(:)`, namely `forall a. a -> [a] -> [a]`, the variable `a` appears under the `[]` constructor and that second argument is given, we are allowed to instantiate
 `a := forall a. a -> a`. On the other hand, if we try to do `ids <> ids`, where `(<>)` is monoid concatenation with type `forall m. Monoid m => m -> m -> m`, we are forced to instantiate `m` with a not-polymorphic type because at no point the variable appears
 under a type constructor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Just for reference, the best to get a working clone is to follow these steps:<o:p></o:p></p>
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> git clone --recursive <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.haskell.org%2Fghc%2Fghc&data=02%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7Ca2d42d6134644b3d128a08d6fbc1e36d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636973207496254471&sdata=hXtR8j0th3U65DW7MvaofVW8tq7pubXUJqlyflGSBPw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc</a> impredicative-ghc<o:p></o:p></p>
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> cd impredicative-ghc<o:p></o:p></p>
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> git remote add trupill <a href="mailto:git@gitlab.haskell.org:trupill/ghc.git">
git@gitlab.haskell.org:trupill/ghc.git</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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> git fetch trupill<o:p></o:p></p>
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> git checkout trupill master<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks very much in advance,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Alejandro<o:p></o:p></p>
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