<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Ben Gamari <<a href="mailto:ben@smart-cactus.org" class="">ben@smart-cactus.org</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On November 11, 2017 10:03:37 PM EST, Joachim Breitner <</span><a href="mailto:mail@joachim-breitner.de" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">mail@joachim-breitner.de</a><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi Alan,<br class=""><br class="">the combined effect of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">commit e3ec2e7ae94524ebd111963faf34b84d942265b4<br class="">WIP on combined Step 1 and 3 for Trees That Grow, HsExpr<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">commit 438dd1cbba13d35f3452b4dcef3f94ce9a216905<br class="">WIP on Doing a combined Step 1 and 3 for Trees That Grow<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">causes a 15% regression in the time it takes to build GHC, according to<br class=""><a href="https://perf.haskell.org/ghc/#compare/fe6848f544c2a14086bcef388c46f4070c22d287/e3ec2e7ae94524ebd111963faf34b84d942265b4" class="">https://perf.haskell.org/ghc/#compare/fe6848f544c2a14086bcef388c46f4070c22d287/e3ec2e7ae94524ebd111963faf34b84d942265b4</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Is that a known, expected and accepted regression?<br class=""><br class="">Joachim<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I noted this on D4177 and discussed the effect with Alan. Indeed there is quite a sizeable regression in compilation time but thankfully this is not because GHC itself is slower. Rather, it simply requires more work to compile. I did a set of nofib runs with and without the first TTG patch and found that compiler allocations remained essentially unchanged.</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">A 15% regression in the compilation time of GHC is indeed hard to stomach but Alan had said that much of this will likely disappear in the future. If this is the case then a temporary regression is in my opinion acceptable.</span><br style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 15px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div></div>Hmm, on what grounds does he think that this is going to disappear and how likely is likely? This doesn’t sound convincing TBH.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Manuel</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>