<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Here's a pre-proposal (which could be formalized into a proper proposal) to address the wiki discussion:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Configure the wiki to display the date of last edit prominently.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- If the date of last edit is sufficiently long ago (1 year?) loudly warn the reader that the content may be out-of-date.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And that's it! I think that solves the problem. The reason this solves the problem is that the ghc-proposals process is already en route to providing the git-backed files that have been floated as the alternative to a wiki. Thus, language features, etc., will be memorialized through the ghc-proposals process. As I understand it, that process already requires the proposal to be updated to a description of the feature as the feature is implemented and refined. We will be left with a nice git repo of feature descriptions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The wiki can remain as a place for less permanent discussions (such as pre-proposals) or pages that use the nice dynamic features of Trac.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Is this proposal possible to implement? Does it solve the wiki problem sufficiently?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sometimes, solutions are easy. :)</div><div class="">Richard</div><br class="">
<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 28, 2016, at 10:30 PM, Manuel M T Chakravarty <<a href="mailto:chak@justtesting.org" class="">chak@justtesting.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Michael’s arguments are compelling.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Manuel<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" class="">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Interesting article. Michael suggests using markdown in repo-controlled files rather than a wiki. I can see the force of that. Maybe we should consider it.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Simon<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></a></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alan & Kim Zimmerman [<a href="mailto:alan.zimm@gmail.com" class="">mailto:alan.zimm@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>27 September 2016 15:54<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com" class="">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sven Panne <<a href="mailto:svenpanne@gmail.com" class="">svenpanne@gmail.com</a>>; ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" class="">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: How, precisely, can we improve?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I think this is relevant to the dicussion:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yesodweb.com%2Fblog%2F2015%2F08%2Fthoughts-on-documentation&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C7ff5e6e47ba5499a774308d3e6e631c2%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=uXvFVL2YlOPej5%2Brxms7oUL91OD%2FpqDD9VLaOYtL%2FjQ%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2015/08/thoughts-on-documentation</a><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Alan<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Simon Peyton Jones via ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">We currently have *3* wikis:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.haskell.org%2FHaskell&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=fxYacdt9XklXJaGetQABBI%2BG3IgnlJmB2r1EL54I1HU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://phabricator.haskell.org/w/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://phabricator.haskell.org/w/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I didn’t even know about the third of these, but the first two have clearly differentiated goals:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.haskell.org%2FHaskell&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=fxYacdt9XklXJaGetQABBI%2BG3IgnlJmB2r1EL54I1HU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is about user-facing, and often user-generated, documentation. Guidance about improving performance, programming idioms, tutorials etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Symbol;" class="">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is about GHC’s implementation, oriented to people who want to understand how GHC works, and how to modify it.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I think this separation is actually quite helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I agree with what you and others say about the difficulty of keeping wikis organised. But that’s not primarily a technology issue: there is a genuinely difficult challenge here. How do you build and maintain up-to-date, navigable, well-organised information about a large, complex, and rapidly changing artefact like GHC? A wiki is one approach that has the merit that anyone can improve it; control is not centralised. But I’d love there to be other, better solutions.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Simon</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="m_-6044542434727342922__MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ghc-devs [mailto:<a href="mailto:ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ghc-devs-bounces@haskell.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sven Panne<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>27 September 2016 08:46<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ghc-devs <<a href="mailto:ghc-devs@haskell.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ghc-devs@haskell.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: How, precisely, can we improve?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Just a remark from my side: The documentation/tooling landscape is a bit more fragmented than it needs to be IMHO. More concretely:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> * We currently have *3* wikis:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.haskell.org%2FHaskell&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=fxYacdt9XklXJaGetQABBI%2BG3IgnlJmB2r1EL54I1HU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://phabricator.haskell.org/w/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://phabricator.haskell.org/w/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> It's clear to me that they have different emphases and different origins, but in the end this results in valuable information being scattered around. Wikis in general are already quite hard to navigate (due to their inherent chaotic "structure"), so having 3 of them makes things even worse. It would be great to have *the* single Haskell Wiki directly on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhaskell.org&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2F8JlCXTwn%2FB8EyrW4BkY0QTS57X%2BFvs4BSXijqCbiNA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">haskell.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in an easily reachable place.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> * To be an active Haskell community member, you need quite a few different logins: Some for the Wikis mentioned above, one for Hackage, another one for Phabricator, perhaps an SSH key here and there... Phabricator is a notable exception: It accepts your GitHub/Google+/... logins. It would be great if the other parts of the Haskell ecosystem accepted those kinds of logins, too.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> * <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhaskell-lang.org%2F&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=9ndNQVeDQy7lPb4qmn13k%2BAtztK8F9Hq%2B2jeXKm9YFU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://haskell-lang.org/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>has great stuff on it, but its relationship to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhaskell.org&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2F8JlCXTwn%2FB8EyrW4BkY0QTS57X%2BFvs4BSXijqCbiNA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">haskell.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is unclear to me. Their "documentation" sub-pages look extremely similar, but<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhaskell-lang.org&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=G9e%2BVDuPTtZHZl%2BGd2fFShUznQjDa158JENjoMiD0VY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">haskell-lang.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>has various (great!) tutorials and a nice overview of common libraries on it. From an external POV it seems to me that<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhaskell-lang.org&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=G9e%2BVDuPTtZHZl%2BGd2fFShUznQjDa158JENjoMiD0VY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">haskell-lang.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>should be seamlessly integrated into<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhaskell.org&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2F8JlCXTwn%2FB8EyrW4BkY0QTS57X%2BFvs4BSXijqCbiNA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">haskell.org</a>, i.e. merged into it. Having an endless sea of links on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhaskell.org&data=01%7C01%7Csimonpj%40microsoft.com%7C28109c89abb14244f87908d3e6aa6198%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1&sdata=%2F8JlCXTwn%2FB8EyrW4BkY0QTS57X%2BFvs4BSXijqCbiNA%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">haskell.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is not the same as having content nicely integrated into it, sorted by topic, etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">All those points are not show-stoppers for people trying to be more active in the Haskell community, but nevertheless they make things harder than they need to be, so I fear we lose people quite early. To draw an analogy: As probably everybody who actively monitors their web shop/customer site knows, even seemlingy small things moves customers totally away from your site. One unclear payment form? The vast majority of your potential customers aborts the purchase immediately and forever. One confusing interstitial web page? Say goodbye to lots of people. One hard-to-find button/link? A forced login/new account? => Commercial disaster, etc. etc.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Furthermore, I'm quite aware of the technical/social difficulties of my proposals, but that shouldn't let us stop trying to improve...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> S.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; 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