<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Simon Peyton Jones <<a href="mailto:simonpj@microsoft.com" class="">simonpj@microsoft.com</a>>:<div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">So that was the plan. I still think it’s a good plan. But it clearly is not working well, and I’m hazy about why. Possible reasons:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Possible diagnosis 1. Installing HP somehow screws up the world for power users, or for a beginner who grows into a power user. Surely we can fix this! <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Installing HP should not get in the way</b>. I suppose that, even if installing HP doesn’t get in the way, it might be a waste of internet bandwidth and disk space for some power users. But that is a smaller problem.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;"><span style="font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Possible diagnosis 2. We have not shared the plan as a community; that is, we have focused lots of attention on GHC releases, and little attention on HP releases. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">It should be the other way around</b>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div></div>I’d say, both. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Re 1, a big part of the problem is the whole cabal, package dependency and versioning morass. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Re 2, I think, there are multiple factors. The delays in putting out the HP (as previously mentioned). Power users reading GHC Status reports and wanting to get the goodies as quickly as possible. The HP just being quite a bit of hard work people like to avoid.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Manuel</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>