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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It seems to me that both questions are sensible ones:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What should GHC’s release cadence be? For example, would annual be better than semi-annual? Herbert and Michael both think so, and they know
a thing or two. I’d love to hear from more people on this question.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">When we do make a release, whenever that is, how we can work most productively with library authors, so that the release comes out in a timely
way? This was Ben’s original question, and it applies regardless of cadence.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Ghc-devops-group <ghc-devops-group-bounces@haskell.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Snoyman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 July 2019 05:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Herbert Valerio Riedel <hvriedel@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> David Feuer <david.feuer@gmail.com>; ghc-devops-group@haskell.org; Ashley Yakeley <ashley@semantic.org>; Judah Jacobson <judah.jacobson@gmail.com>; David Terei <code@davidterei.com>; Herbert Valerio Riedel <hvr@gmail.com>; Haskell Libraries (libraries@haskell.org)
<libraries@haskell.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GHC DevOps Group] Making GHC's fast release cadence work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:12 AM Herbert Valerio Riedel <<a href="mailto:hvriedel@gmail.com">hvriedel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:09 PM Ben Gamari <<a href="mailto:ben@well-typed.com" target="_blank">ben@well-typed.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Naturally, delays like this make it hard for GHC to maintain its faster<br>
release cycle<br>
> ...<br>
> How do you think we might speed up this process?<br>
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IMO You're asking the wrong question.<br>
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This seems based on a premise that everyone agreed with a faster<br>
release cycle... to me the downsides on the ecosystem and<br>
infrastructure of a faster release churn significantly outweight the<br>
modest benefit some people might perceive; and the issue's we've been<br>
observing (not only boot libraries, but also the 10k packages on<br>
Hackage) with the overspeeded release cycle are IMO a sign that we're<br>
moving faster than the ecosystem can accommodate. Just because GHC HQ<br>
managed to optimize their release processes (and I have to say, at the<br>
expense of the release quality -- GHC 8.6.5 was the first major<br>
release since GHC's beginning to require five attempts -- and I have<br>
to note that this results in annoying busy work for GHC packagers like<br>
myself) doesn't mean that everyone else has the time and energy to<br>
adapt to this new order as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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